Glasner Out

NEILLO said:
The frustrating thing about this winless run is that in the vast majority of the games we have been competitive. With the exception of Leeds and Macclesfield away where we got what we deserved.

Missed chances, a sudden vulnerability at set pieces and individual errors are in my opinion the main contributors. The thin margins that decide games.

If we were getting taken apart every week then it's to be expected that the manager / head coach would review his tactics and try something different. Glasner has been coaching the majority of the squad in his methods for two years now. He trusts those methods and he trusts the majority of the squad to implement them and get results.

A big part of in game management is to be able to call upon players from the bench that can offer something different - and we just haven't had that this season. 2 'keepers on the bench on occasion.

Ultimately it's Glasner that will carry the can for results. And I know there's a lot of people that will be glad to see the back of him. I'm not one of them.
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We somehow, and surprisingly, win at Nottm Forest and Glasner will be back in favour with many of his detractors.
Another defeat and the 'Anti-Glasner' element of our support will increase in size.
 
Tlsestu said:
The first thing we need to do is to start taking our chances, it's ridiculous how many easy chances we are missing.
The system we play is reliant on us scoring first and every game we've had a couple of clear opportunities.
Maybe drop Mateta but, if we still miss easy chances it doesn't really matter who the manager is or what system you play you will still struggle.
The defence should settle down again with Riad and hopefully he can build on his performance against Chelsea. The way he played suggests he is confident with his knee and physical condition.
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So many times of late we've had a great chance to take the lead early on, I get encouraged by this and our play, think we're going to do alright then next thing I know we're 1-0 down, fighting from underneath, missing good chances again until we inevitably lose

The difference between Jean-Philippe Mateta and a world class striker is the ability to put away these kinds of chances.
 
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Tlsestu said:
Which if he had taken would make him a 20+ goals a season and get him his dream move.
He scored a hat trick against Bournmouth but the miss for the fourth is a better reflection of his season so far
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Games at this level are often so tight, even half of those goals would see us nicely in the top half and likely safe already
 
madcap_v2 said:
So amny times of late we've had a great chance to take the lead early on, I get encouraged by this and our play, think we're going to do alright then next thing I know we're 1-0 down, fighting from underneath, missing good chances again until we inevitably lose

The difference between Jean-Philippe Mateta and a world class striker is the ability to put away these kinds of chances.
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Jean-Philippe Misschanceta.
He was our top scorer for two seasons and could benefit from a new challenge in a new environment.
 
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NEILLO said:
The frustrating thing about this winless run is that in the vast majority of the games we have been competitive. With the exception of Leeds and Macclesfield away where we got what we deserved.

Missed chances, a sudden vulnerability at set pieces and individual errors are in my opinion the main contributors. The thin margins that decide games.

If we were getting taken apart every week then it's to be expected that the manager / head coach would review his tactics and try something different. Glasner has been coaching the majority of the squad in his methods for two years now. He trusts those methods and he trusts the majority of the squad to implement them and get results.

A big part of in game management is to be able to call upon players from the bench that can offer something different - and we just haven't had that this season. 2 'keepers on the bench on occasion.

Ultimately it's Glasner that will carry the can for results. And I know there's a lot of people that will be glad to see the back of him. I'm not one of them.
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I have some sympathy with this view. Leeds aside we haven’t been thrashed. Undoubtedly what you say about quality off the bench (or lack of) has been a factor.

In many ways though I actually worry more about the way we are losing because it is exactly the same every single time. Start ok, concede a soft goal, lose belief and subside to a tame defeat. The fact it is the same every time tells me that OG can’t adapt. He certainly can’t manage in game. In fact we have been awful immediately after half time. I can’t think of a game where we went behind and really fought, put the opposition under pressure or changed it up tactically to try and get a result.
 
Racehorse-80s said:
I don’t think there’s a football fan or Pundit on the planet that could predict Palace would be in such a precarious position as now last May .
I honestly don't know how it’s come to be , The player sales , Injuries and extra cup games aren’t the whole story , On reflection Glasner hasn’t really managed the situation well and the chairman has to take some responsibility but ultimately I think the fans have been blinded by the cup final and charity shield win too much and ignored the inability of Glasner to change tactics to compensate for injuries , Extra games and player sales .
Glasner needs to go for his and the clubs benefit , he has clearly lost interest and it’s rubbing off on the players , Parish needs to act even if it means paying Glasners contract up , The club seems to be in limbo and directionless at a time when stability and strong leadership on and off the field is paramount if the New stand is to be built and financed or we risk being back to 2010 before long .
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Glasner isn't a very good football manager, tactics, selections, substitution's, choice of player bought, bad attitude, arrogant and fond of a few porkies.
 
NEILLO said:
The frustrating thing about this winless run is that in the vast majority of the games we have been competitive. With the exception of Leeds and Macclesfield away where we got what we deserved.

Missed chances, a sudden vulnerability at set pieces and individual errors are in my opinion the main contributors. The thin margins that decide games.

If we were getting taken apart every week then it's to be expected that the manager / head coach would review his tactics and try something different. Glasner has been coaching the majority of the squad in his methods for two years now. He trusts those methods and he trusts the majority of the squad to implement them and get results.

A big part of in game management is to be able to call upon players from the bench that can offer something different - and we just haven't had that this season. 2 'keepers on the bench on occasion.

Ultimately it's Glasner that will carry the can for results. And I know there's a lot of people that will be glad to see the back of him. I'm not one of them.
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Good post - completely agree, and a large part of why I'm not overly concerned about relegation or anything similar.

Our performances don't really suggest we're anywhere near that bad, and Munoz and Sarr are transformative to us as a team.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Good post - completely agree, and a large part of why I'm not overly concerned about relegation or anything similar.

Our performances don't really suggest we're anywhere near that bad, and Munoz and Sarr are transformative to us as a team.
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Indeed. On Saturday they transformed us from a team that concedes one or two to a team that had conceded three with 25 minutes still to play.

In fairness of course they improve the team. I think people are in denial about just how bad we are though.

One reason we aren’t getting tonked is that as soon as we go behind it is game over. We offer zilch and the opposition can take their foot off the gas and control the game. I’d actually rather we’d given more games a go, committed more players forward and lost games by more goals if it meant getting results in others. In our winless run I can’t think of a game we looked like winning or gave it a go.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
His achievements suggest the total opposite to be true.
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He’s both a good and bad manager strangely. He has a clear track record now. Goes to a club gets good results for 18 months then it all drops off a cliff and he can’t turn it around.

So good / great for 18 to 24 months and awful thereafter
 
JHB said:
I have some sympathy with this view. Leeds aside we haven’t been thrashed. Undoubtedly what you say about quality off the bench (or lack of) has been a factor.

In many ways though I actually worry more about the way we are losing because it is exactly the same every single time. Start ok, concede a soft goal, lose belief and subside to a tame defeat. The fact it is the same every time tells me that OG can’t adapt. He certainly can’t manage in game. In fact we have been awful immediately after half time. I can’t think of a game where we went behind and really fought, put the opposition under pressure or changed it up tactically to try and get a result.
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What it means is that we're not quite good enough in the here and now. Forget the team that won the FA cup, forget the Olise season that promised so much, in the here and now we come up short. The question is, what to do about it? Parish, sit on your hands, duck and dive, and hope it goes away? Glasner, well he's going anyway, so I don't pay much attention to what he says now. Players, stand up and be counted? We can only hope.
I see no attempt to address the deficiencies on the playing side, which have only been exacerbated by the sale of Guehi, it's only more of the the same, and the steady spiral into the danger zone shows that this is a method that doesn't work.
Time to get rid of Glasner, a move that will be forced upon Parish after losses to Forest and Brighton.
 
JHB said:
Indeed. On Saturday they transformed us from a team that concedes one or two to a team that had conceded three with 25 minutes still to play.

In fairness of course they improve the team. I think people are in denial about just how bad we are though.

One reason we aren’t getting tonked is that as soon as we go behind it is game over. We offer zilch and the opposition can take their foot off the gas and control the game. I’d actually rather we’d given more games a go, committed more players forward and lost games by more goals if it meant getting results in others. In our winless run I can’t think of a game we looked like winning or gave it a go.
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I think the opposite - I think people are incredibly hysterical about how 'bad' we are.
 
JHB said:
He’s both a good and bad manager strangely. He has a clear track record now. Goes to a club gets good results for 18 months then it all drops off a cliff and he can’t turn it around.

So good / great for 18 to 24 months and awful thereafter
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His last season at Wolfsburg they finished 4th in the Bundesliga and qualified for the Champions League.

Since then they have finished 12th, 8th and 11th.

Even his last season at Frankfurt included a run to the German Cup Final, although league form did drop off 2nd half of that season.
 
park the bus said:
What it means is that we're not quite good enough in the here and now. Forget the team that won the FA cup, forget the Olise season that promised so much, in the here and now we come up short. The question is, what to do about it? Parish, sit on your hands, duck and dive, and hope it goes away? Glasner, well he's going anyway, so I don't pay much attention to what he says now. Players, stand up and be counted? We can only hope.
I see no attempt to address the deficiencies on the playing side, which have only been exacerbated by the sale of Guehi, it's only more of the the same, and the steady spiral into the danger zone shows that this is a method that doesn't work.
Time to get rid of Glasner, a move that will be forced upon Parish after losses to Forest and Brighton.
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I agree 100%
 
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