Jaydee Canvot

[Elphers40]

Wasn’t Riad supposed to be the replacement ?
The one good thing about today was seeing this lad back in action.

Of course. But from the moment he got a serious injury- I think a weakness in our back line should have been addressed. Especially given the decision was always to sell Marc in this window.

Agree though it was fantastic to see Chadi back today!

 

[Penge Eagle]

Who sanctioned £23million for a teenager that might one day be fantastic but is not currently good enough for the first team?

That money could have been better spent elsewhere.

 

[Willo]

Canvot arrived at our club as an inexperienced prospect, having only made 18 appearances for Toulouse in the French top flight.
Like players of this ilk he makes mistakes but his have been costly and at present he falls below the standard required in the PL. Today he had a hand in all 3 goals we conceded and hopefully this will not affect him adversely.
In terms of team selection, I would have selected Lerma to play in defence and started with Hughes, with Canvot on the bench.

 

[Squidgeedee]

Canvot arrived at our club as an inexperienced prospect, having only made 18 appearances for Toulouse in the French top flight.
Like players of this ilk he makes mistakes but his have been costly and at present he falls below the standard required in the PL. Today he had a hand in all 3 goals we conceded and hopefully this will not affect him adversely.
In terms of team selection, I would have selected Lerma to play in defence and started with Hughes, with Canvot on the bench.

Problem is then you have devenny coming on in as the fresh legs.

If we’re going to buy these young players then they need to play more regularly.

 

[Eagleman13]

Problem is then you have devenny coming on in as the fresh legs.

If we’re going to buy these young players then they need to play more regularly.

Except, we didn't have Devenny coming on, we had a proper CB in Riad, coming on, too late I'll give you.

 

[Hendo’s Magic Hat]

Going leap to this young man’s defence here. He’s playing in possibly the hardest position for any youngster in the toughest league in world football.

I say this as young players make mistakes and if they’re playing centre half it tends to be punished with conceding a goal.

Remember Adam Whartons first game away at our biggest rivals he made a mistake that led to us conceding and we’ve all seen that’s worked out fairly well.

If you watch Wharton whilst he has the ability to run games at the top level he still makes mistakes and no one jumps on his back.

I say be patient with Jaydee whilst it’s difficult to argue it’s a big fee for potential he’s learning on the job and you can see there is a proper player there.

Riad being fit should take some pressure off and allow for rotation.

Also OG isn’t the best coach for young players, look at JRS and RE. Also the FA cup tie at Macclesfield where the youngsters were bright yet were dragged at half time to make way for senior players who were dreadful on the day.

 

[Penge Eagle]

Going leap to this young man’s defence here. He’s playing in possibly the hardest position for any youngster in the toughest league in world football.

I say this as young players make mistakes and if they’re playing centre half it tends to be punished with conceding a goal.

Remember Adam Whartons first game away at our biggest rivals he made a mistake that led to us conceding and we’ve all seen that’s worked out fairly well.

If you watch Wharton whilst he has the ability to run games at the top level he still makes mistakes and no one jumps on his back.

I say be patient with Jaydee whilst it’s difficult to argue it’s a big fee for potential he’s learning on the job and you can see there is a proper player there.

Riad being fit should take some pressure off and allow for rotation.

Also OG isn’t the best coach for young players, look at JRS and RE. Also the FA cup tie at Macclesfield where the youngsters were bright yet were dragged at half time to make way for senior players who were dreadful on the day.

We can't afford to be patient with a guy who is not ready. We're plummeting towards relegation.

 

[Squidgeedee]

Except, we didn't have Devenny coming on, we had a proper CB in Riad, coming on, too late I'll give you.

I meant that if Lerma plays cb it leaves us short of options making a sub in cm. Would much rather canvot or riad start in the back line

 

[PalazioVecchio]

A Prem relegation dogfight is no place to initiate a novice youngster - especially a fella unfamiliar with the English game. We are a football club, not an academy.

There are kids performing miracles at Bayern Munich etc......but they are the statistical outliers. Canvot is a weak link in our chain.

 

[MrRobbo]

Going leap to this young man’s defence here. He’s playing in possibly the hardest position for any youngster in the toughest league in world football.

I say this as young players make mistakes and if they’re playing centre half it tends to be punished with conceding a goal.

Remember Adam Whartons first game away at our biggest rivals he made a mistake that led to us conceding and we’ve all seen that’s worked out fairly well.

If you watch Wharton whilst he has the ability to run games at the top level he still makes mistakes and no one jumps on his back.

I say be patient with Jaydee whilst it’s difficult to argue it’s a big fee for potential he’s learning on the job and you can see there is a proper player there.

Riad being fit should take some pressure off and allow for rotation.

Also OG isn’t the best coach for young players, look at JRS and RE. Also the FA cup tie at Macclesfield where the youngsters were bright yet were dragged at half time to make way for senior players who were dreadful on the day.

I hear you.

But Canvot's mistake yesterday was bad. We are getting to the point where we are going to have to start scrapping for survival.

We all know he is starting because we dont really have another option. Expecting Riad to come in and perform is asking a lot. But, he did look pretty good yesterday so maybe he'll be aright.

Could really have dont without the Wharton red.

 

[NEILLO]

Going leap to this young man’s defence here. He’s playing in possibly the hardest position for any youngster in the toughest league in world football.

I say this as young players make mistakes and if they’re playing centre half it tends to be punished with conceding a goal.

Remember Adam Whartons first game away at our biggest rivals he made a mistake that led to us conceding and we’ve all seen that’s worked out fairly well.

If you watch Wharton whilst he has the ability to run games at the top level he still makes mistakes and no one jumps on his back.

I say be patient with Jaydee whilst it’s difficult to argue it’s a big fee for potential he’s learning on the job and you can see there is a proper player there.

Riad being fit should take some pressure off and allow for rotation.

Also OG isn’t the best coach for young players, look at JRS and RE. Also the FA cup tie at Macclesfield where the youngsters were bright yet were dragged at half time to make way for senior players who were dreadful on the day.

But....we don't know how good Riad is.

And he hasn't played for a year. This is not the time to place such a reliance on him.

Neither Riad or Canvot were brought in as direct replacements for Guehi. Yet here we are...

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Riad is a top class left footed CD, Played extremely well for Real Betis and is a Moroccan International at 22, who we paid 15m for, Canvot is a young inexperienced CD who looks out of his depth at the moment and cost 23m, more than Lacroix, Richards and Riad, not to forget other defenders Muñoz 8m and Mitchell free, the difference is them 5 players those were scouted and signed by Freedman, Canvot wasn't.

 

[BromleyMonkey]

I hear you.

But Canvot's mistake yesterday was bad. We are getting to the point where we are going to have to start scrapping for survival.

We all know he is starting because we dont really have another option. Expecting Riad to come in and perform is asking a lot. But, he did look pretty good yesterday so maybe he'll be aright.

Could really have dont without the Wharton red.

Mistakes!! He played them onside for the second goal as well

Lerma could’ve started at the back

 

[Painter]

Canvot arrived at our club as an inexperienced prospect, having only made 18 appearances for Toulouse in the French top flight.
Like players of this ilk he makes mistakes but his have been costly and at present he falls below the standard required in the PL. Today he had a hand in all 3 goals we conceded and hopefully this will not affect him adversely.
In terms of team selection, I would have selected Lerma to play in defence and started with Hughes, with Canvot on the bench.

He's young and only going to learn and improve by making a few mistakes. Buying ready made players is expensive and out of reach of our budget. A midfielder makes a mistake it goes unnoticed, but a defender or keeper there is no hiding place.

 

[Willo]

He's young and only going to learn and improve by making a few mistakes. Buying ready made players is expensive and out of reach of our budget. A midfielder makes a mistake it goes unnoticed, but a defender or keeper there is no hiding place.

It's a conundrum.Young players gain experience by playing in the PL under pressure, but when they are not yet ready for such demands and managers play them they take a risk and issues can affect not only the player but the team.Canvot has made some costly mistakes and it is a test of his character as to how he responds.
At present with the team in freefall, and with the narrative now turned to a 'Relegation battle,' I would suggest our situation does not allow for inexperienced young players being thrust into the middle of the defence.

 

[Penge Eagle]

He's young and only going to learn and improve by making a few mistakes. Buying ready made players is expensive and out of reach of our budget. A midfielder makes a mistake it goes unnoticed, but a defender or keeper there is no hiding place.

A reminder that Canvot cost £23m. We did have the budget for a first-team ready defender.

 

[JHB]

It's a conundrum.Young players gain experience by playing in the PL under pressure, but when they are not yet ready for such demands and managers play them they take a risk and issues can affect not only the player but the team.Canvot has made some costly mistakes and it is a test of his character as to how he responds.
At present with the team in freefall, and with the narrative now turned to a 'Relegation battle,' I would suggest our situation does not allow for inexperienced young players being thrust into the middle of the defence.

Agree with this. I like him and he has great potential but realistically he can’t start the next few Premier League games. As I’ve said elsewhere if we don’t have the players now for a back three I hear that other defensive formations have been used in the history of association football

 

[taylors lovechild]

Unfortunately for Canvot it seems whenever he makes a mistake it gets punished. Other senior defenders have made numerous mistakes this season (including Guehi) but have gotten away with it. If he can cut out the mistakes, then he has all the attributes to be a top defender, but can we risk giving him that time at the business end of the season? We could move to a back four, but we currently have three fit central midfielders, one of whom struggles to last 90 minutes, so we'd have to sign another central midfielder, or we'd have no options from the bench. A back four would also push Munoz back, who showed yesterday how much we've missed him from an attacking perspective. Currently (as embarrassing as it is) Mitchell is also probably our biggest threat on the left.

Ludicrously, our squad is weaker now that it was at the start of the window and there are not many rumours that things are going to improve. Next weekend we will have to play Lerma in midfield due to Wharton's suspension, which means either Canvot continues at the back, Riad is risked, or maybe Clyne returns. Hopefully, that thought will at least energise the board to actually sign a Guehi replacement (even if it's just a loan).

 

[ASCPFC]

I see Canvot getting the blame for Macclesfield. But didn't he get played as a full back? Which was clearly wrong. As much as anything else, Glasner is now consistently playing players out of position. Sometimes: needs must. Not every bloody game just because you'll never change. He played different systems at other clubs. Not sure why he has to do this here. He used a back four previously quite often. I know: it sounds barely believable.

 

[taylors lovechild]

I see Canvot getting the blame for Macclesfield. But didn't he get played as a full back? Which was clearly wrong. As much as anything else, Glasner is now consistently playing players out of position. Sometimes: needs must. Not every bloody game just because you'll never change. He played different systems at other clubs. Not sure why he has to do this here. He used a back four previously quite often. I know: it sounds barely believable.

I do wonder if his reluctance to play a back four is because we don't have a lot of options in midfield either, so why try and re-train on a new formation without the tools to make it work effectively? Our wingbacks create more than Hughes and Lerma combined, which may be another consideration. Having said that, I don't think Johnson worked on the left, and I don't understand why Richards was played left and Canvot right.