Iran

[Spindle]

Germany wasn't divided until 1949, so WW2 had been over for 4 years before East and West Germany existed.

Oh stop it. 45-49 it was in 4 zones after Yalta but actually split because of the cold war beginning.

 

[ASCPFC]

At least we can all agree that East Germany did not cheat in the Olympics.

 

[Ouzo Dan]

The Iranian uprising is one part CIA/Mossad psy op & one part grass roots but I did call it the other week that Iran would be next.

The Iranian regime needs it's poop pushed in & I suspect it will be in the next 24 hours.
Attached screen grab is over Iran, notice how flights have thinned out? Something is going to happen

Were likely seeing the end of this regime so if they have a nuke they can lob at Israel, now is the most likely time they will use it - this also applies for dirty bombs in places like London.

 

[derfes]

Iran iran iran.
i think for this introduction we can mark out essentially three schools of political thought post 1941 within iran

1. the Shahists - These folks Argue for the continuation of a millennia old civilisational order, invoking Cyrus , Darius , Xerxes , the Seleucids, the Parthians, the sasanids, Sarafivids , Qajars and now the Pahlavis. after the Coup attempt in 1953, after the assassination attempt in 1951, after the subjection attempt in 1946 by the soviet aligned Tudeh and the soviets , the shah became a bit more hands on creating SAVAK, (largely to try to prevent the MEKists from causing trouble)who tortured a lot of the MEKists to death to stop them from trying to overthrow the government or try to kill the shah again meaning the Shahists and the MEKists can't stand each other to this day.

these are the folks chanting " Javid Shah" and their flags contain the lion , sun and sword emblem in gold.

2. the MEKists - These folks argue for a rejection of the old orders , generally viewing the Muslim faith( sometimes just Sunni Islam) as an imposition upon Iranian civilisation imposed by Arab invaders and the Shahs as an outdated institution not fit for the modern world. Fought against Iran in the iraq-iran war of the 1980s and spiritual successors to the Tudeh who aimed in the 1940s and 1950s to bring iran into the soviet empire through coup attempts and attempted assassinations of the shah (which lead to the creation of the SAVAK) . after the 1979 revolution they then went around doing assassinations and some terrorism so they were forced to leave iran. Now run out of an Albanian refugee camp .

these are the folks saying no shahs no mullahs, their flags contain an Red Emblems. If you hear the NCRI ( national council of resistance in Iran) it's these guys.

3. the islamists - these are the guys who follow Shia Islam seriously. as you might know Shia Islam is the state religion of iran - sorta like an Islamic Anglicanism , not the majority Islamic faith in the world but one of huge symbolic importance as almost part of the fabric of the society in iran. these are the guys who have been running the country since 1979. you see this in their defence of their actions against the non muslim israel and non muslim America who they hate and have developed proxies to help fight in a holy war against. the current leader suffered an assassination attempt by MEK in 1981

these are the folks using the current flag. usually arguing that the protests are a american/Israeli/ Imperialist project


as for why the current protest aren't being supported by the lefties, i think they think that support for the protests will restore the shah to power , and they would rather 10s of thousands of innocent iranians die than admit that monarchies can be better than their desired republics, as it would force them to re-examine or in some cases just examine their opposition to monarchism in their own countries. much easier for them to see 10s of thousands of people who won't go to their dinner parties die than reckon with the failures of the ideology that they hold as part of themselves .

 

[Spindle]

Stop what.

Utter pedantry

 

[silvertop]

Sooner trump takes them out the better then as no one else has the resources to do so.

EFA

 

[silvertop]

Appeasement never works , Iran is a country based on a dictatorship and oppression with a major terrorist sponsorship organisation that has spread its tentacles far and wide
Trump is attempting to do something positive for the majority of Iranians who want democracy and peace whilst Europe including the UK are as usual just twiddling their fingers idly ..

You cannot be that naive.

 

[silvertop]

If we had stayed out of that war we would be goose stepping down the Mall and there wouldn’t be a Jew , Homosexual or Roma left on the planet ..
It’s not all about Money , Money , Money ..

Germany had no chance whatever of invading Britain. Sea Lion was quietly abandoned as ludicrous. Even by Hitler. And they had no wish to as they respected the British Empire and wanted it to remain intact, albeit subservient to them. The Soviets would not have faired any better after they stuffed the kraut and marched as far as Calais.

Likely outcome of us staying out. British Empire largely intact, but the USSR - who hate us - occupying and controlling the rest of the continent. Beyond that..?

But we were shafted by the US; and had to watch an ungrateful Europe expand on free US grants while we adjusted our economy from empire administration under the fetters of socialism while having to service a crippling debt fixed with conditions until 2006.

 

[silvertop]

And we got most, then France, then West Germany.

Ours were loaned with interest and conditions; and we had to hand over territories to the US as well.

Germany, Italy et al received grants.

 

[silvertop]

Iran iran iran.
i think for this introduction we can mark out essentially three schools of political thought post 1941 within iran

1. the Shahists - These folks Argue for the continuation of a millennia old civilisational order, invoking Cyrus , Darius , Xerxes , the Seleucids, the Parthians, the sasanids, Sarafivids , Qajars and now the Pahlavis. after the Coup attempt in 1953, after the assassination attempt in 1951, after the subjection attempt in 1946 by the soviet aligned Tudeh and the soviets , the shah became a bit more hands on creating SAVAK, (largely to try to prevent the MEKists from causing trouble)who tortured a lot of the MEKists to death to stop them from trying to overthrow the government or try to kill the shah again meaning the Shahists and the MEKists can't stand each other to this day.

these are the folks chanting " Javid Shah" and their flags contain the lion , sun and sword emblem in gold.

2. the MEKists - These folks argue for a rejection of the old orders , generally viewing the Muslim faith( sometimes just Sunni Islam) as an imposition upon Iranian civilisation imposed by Arab invaders and the Shahs as an outdated institution not fit for the modern world. Fought against Iran in the iraq-iran war of the 1980s and spiritual successors to the Tudeh who aimed in the 1940s and 1950s to bring iran into the soviet empire through coup attempts and attempted assassinations of the shah (which lead to the creation of the SAVAK) . after the 1979 revolution they then went around doing assassinations and some terrorism so they were forced to leave iran. Now run out of an Albanian refugee camp .

these are the folks saying no shahs no mullahs, their flags contain an Red Emblems. If you hear the NCRI ( national council of resistance in Iran) it's these guys.

3. the islamists - these are the guys who follow Shia Islam seriously. as you might know Shia Islam is the state religion of iran - sorta like an Islamic Anglicanism , not the majority Islamic faith in the world but one of huge symbolic importance as almost part of the fabric of the society in iran. these are the guys who have been running the country since 1979. you see this in their defence of their actions against the non muslim israel and non muslim America who they hate and have developed proxies to help fight in a holy war against. the current leader suffered an assassination attempt by MEK in 1981

these are the folks using the current flag. usually arguing that the protests are a american/Israeli/ Imperialist project


as for why the current protest aren't being supported by the lefties, i think they think that support for the protests will restore the shah to power , and they would rather 10s of thousands of innocent iranians die than admit that monarchies can be better than their desired republics, as it would force them to re-examine or in some cases just examine their opposition to monarchism in their own countries. much easier for them to see 10s of thousands of people who won't go to their dinner parties die than reckon with the failures of the ideology that they hold as part of themselves .

What a mess. As fractioned as Syria and Iraq and with little chance of a good end in clear sight.

Were the MEKists the sort who the SAS took out in the Iranian siege?

And the current regime's incessant protests that problems are all caused by Israel and the Americans is now wholly paranoia. I would be stunned if much of their difficulty was not engineered by those countries and, indeed, ours.

On which, I know someone in the military. It is a long way from secret that this country has been gearing up for action in Persia for years. Plans are drawn, evolve and undergo regular stress tests.

 

[steeleye20]

The UK could try fixing it's water supply and building houses.

Also the UK does imprison protesters and jail without trial, although we don't have the death penaty or execute innocent citizens like in the USA.

With the shutting down of the internet the USA/Israel forces installed to bring chaos to Iran initially by collapsing their currency, then by hijacking protest, cannot be managed without communication, the situation has therefore stabilised rapidly and there are huge rallies in support of the government.

The USA facing defeat, backs off, Iran has only used a fraction of its missiles.

A house of cards, turn them off.

Off for a walk without the internet.....

😎

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

Oil, oil, oil.

But timing is crucial. The USA has to make sure it can accomplish regime overthrow,...and then justify it,
Otherwise, all bets are off and leave the Iranians to it.

 

[Spindle]

The UK could try fixing it's water supply and building houses.

Also the UK does imprison protesters and jail without trial, although we don't have the death penaty or execute innocent citizens like in the USA.

With the shutting down of the internet the USA/Israel forces installed to bring chaos to Iran initially by collapsing their currency, then by hijacking protest, cannot be managed without communication, the situation has therefore stabilised rapidly and there are huge rallies in support of the government.

The USA facing defeat, backs off, Iran has only used a fraction of its missiles.

A house of cards, turn them off.

Off for a walk without the internet.....

😎

As predicted he's here to slate the west, picking out the Jews and USA. Not a bad word about the regime.

He really needs to go live and breath one of these Islamic s*** holes he loves so much.

 

[chris123]

Oil, oil, oil.

But timing is crucial. The USA has to make sure it can accomplish regime overthrow,...and then justify it,

There aren't any foreign oil companies operating in Iran and China is the largest buyer.

 

[georgenorman]

As predicted he's here to slate the west, picking out the Jews and USA. Not a bad word about the regime.

He really needs to go live and breath one of these Islamic s*** holes he loves so much.

His posts are getting more and more crazed.

 

[HKOwen]

His posts are getting more and more crazed.

Not really, always been hate filled anti West Jew hatred

 

[derfes]

What a mess. As fractioned as Syria and Iraq and with little chance of a good end in clear sight.

Were the MEKists the sort who the SAS took out in the Iranian siege?

And the current regime's incessant protests that problems are all caused by Israel and the Americans is now wholly paranoia. I would be stunned if much of their difficulty was not engineered by those countries and, indeed, ours.

On which, I know someone in the military. It is a long way from secret that this country has been gearing up for action in Persia for years. Plans are drawn, evolve and undergo regular stress tests.

so the folks who were involved in the Iranian embassy siege were Arab separatists , who did also fight for the Iraqis in the iraq-iran war. but MEK want to run Iran , whereas the folks the SAS fought want to separate an Arabic part of the current Iran from Iran. Basicallly the siege guys weren't MEKists.

i think the whole Israel and us thing is simply a rhetorical way to gin up support by arguing that any protests are not organic but the work of Islam's enemies and an attack on Islam itself to rally the flag around themselves.

I wouldn't be surprised if we have plans to invade every country including the USA after the Greenland and Canada invasion proclivity Proclamations. I'd imagine it is always worthwhile to be prepared.

I'm inclined to regard the protests as authentic. Their currency went from 40k rials to 1 dollar to 1-1.5 million rials to 1 dollar . I'd get pretty upset if anything i imported went up 25 to 40 times in two years. Water , electricity and Natural gas prices also increased and issues of sufficient supply also happened. Inflation running at 40% a month would also hit hard.

 

[Spindle]

so the folks who were involved in the Iranian embassy siege were Arab separatists , who did also fight for the Iraqis in the iraq-iran war. but MEK want to run Iran , whereas the folks the SAS fought want to separate an Arabic part of the current Iran from Iran. Basicallly the siege guys weren't MEKists.

i think the whole Israel and us thing is simply a rhetorical way to gin up support by arguing that any protests are not organic but the work of Islam's enemies and an attack on Islam itself to rally the flag around themselves.

I wouldn't be surprised if we have plans to invade every country including the USA after the Greenland and Canada invasion proclivity Proclamations. I'd imagine it is always worthwhile to be prepared.

I'm inclined to regard the protests as authentic. Their currency went from 40k rials to 1 dollar to 1-1.5 million rials to 1 dollar . I'd get pretty upset if anything i imported went up 25 to 40 times in two years. Water , electricity and Natural gas prices also increased and issues of sufficient supply also happened. Inflation running at 40% a month would also hit hard.

Why not? We've been invaded.

 

[silvertop]

so the folks who were involved in the Iranian embassy siege were Arab separatists , who did also fight for the Iraqis in the iraq-iran war. but MEK want to run Iran , whereas the folks the SAS fought want to separate an Arabic part of the current Iran from Iran. Basicallly the siege guys weren't MEKists.

i think the whole Israel and us thing is simply a rhetorical way to gin up support by arguing that any protests are not organic but the work of Islam's enemies and an attack on Islam itself to rally the flag around themselves.

I wouldn't be surprised if we have plans to invade every country including the USA after the Greenland and Canada invasion proclivity Proclamations. I'd imagine it is always worthwhile to be prepared.

I'm inclined to regard the protests as authentic. Their currency went from 40k rials to 1 dollar to 1-1.5 million rials to 1 dollar . I'd get pretty upset if anything i imported went up 25 to 40 times in two years. Water , electricity and Natural gas prices also increased and issues of sufficient supply also happened. Inflation running at 40% a month would also hit hard.

I never said the protests were created by Israel / The West. That is standard regime BS. But I would be stunned if there were not agent provocateurs in Iran stirring the pot.

 

[johnny the eagle]

Oh stop it. 45-49 it was in 4 zones after Yalta but actually split because of the cold war beginning.

I do apologise, I didn't know you were a board moderator.