Glasner Out

[Sardinero]

Cant see OG going anywhere until end of season based on his integrity, However , the club are obviously planning for possible manager ( they have to if OG doesn't extend his contract) therefore if approached by Utd or another club offering huge compensation , then I think the situation will change very quickly.
Very decisive month ahead!

 

[taylors lovechild]

United don’t have the players to play 5 at the back. It was Amorin who was wedded to it despite this so it makes no sense to go for Amorin unless they buy our back 5 as well.

Glasner may not be quite as outspoken as Amorin but he is not averse to falling out with the board. I don’t see this as a good fit for either side but it is hard to refuse United when they come calling.

Until recent months I would have been gutted to lose Glasner but his persistence with the same players and system when we look shot so early in the season makes me less bothered if he goes. If he does go would Parish be interested in Amorin or Maresco?

I saw a really good analysis earlier in the season which showed why Glasner makes the system work and why Amorin doesn't.

If Glasner went I doubt the club would be prepared. I think Maresco will be entering a cooling off period before plotting for the City job, while I reckon Amorin will disappear back to Portugal. He's been a complete mess at United. More likely Nuno will get sacked by West Ham and we'll end up with him (which I actually don't think would be that bad despite his recent form).

 

[Davepalace707]

I saw a really good analysis earlier in the season which showed why Glasner makes the system work and why Amorin doesn't.

If Glasner went I doubt the club would be prepared. I think Maresco will be entering a cooling off period before plotting for the City job, while I reckon Amorin will disappear back to Portugal. He's been a complete mess at United. More likely Nuno will get sacked by West Ham and we'll end up with him (which I actually don't think would be that bad despite his recent form).

Not a bad shout that

 

[JHB]

I saw a really good analysis earlier in the season which showed why Glasner makes the system work and why Amorin doesn't.

If Glasner went I doubt the club would be prepared. I think Maresco will be entering a cooling off period before plotting for the City job, while I reckon Amorin will disappear back to Portugal. He's been a complete mess at United. More likely Nuno will get sacked by West Ham and we'll end up with him (which I actually don't think would be that bad despite his recent form).

It’s clearly a hard system to make work. You need very specific players in very specific positions. Amorin hasn’t made it work and clearly part of his sacking was wanting players in that Wilcox didn’t want in. As we are seeing OG makes it work very well when all the right pieces are there but take out a couple (notably Munoz in our case) and it falls apart pretty quickly

 

[Paul Salvage]

I saw a really good analysis earlier in the season which showed why Glasner makes the system work and why Amorin doesn't.

If Glasner went I doubt the club would be prepared. I think Maresco will be entering a cooling off period before plotting for the City job, while I reckon Amorin will disappear back to Portugal. He's been a complete mess at United. More likely Nuno will get sacked by West Ham and we'll end up with him (which I actually don't think would be that bad despite his recent form).

Didn’t he turn us down before?
I thought it was because he wanted to bring his entire entourage and we were not prepared to agree to that.
I may be wrong as the old grey matter isn’t what it once was!

 

[taylors lovechild]

It’s clearly a hard system to make work. You need very specific players in very specific positions. Amorin hasn’t made it work and clearly part of his sacking was wanting players in that Wilcox didn’t want in. As we are seeing OG makes it work very well when all the right pieces are there but take out a couple (notably Munoz in our case) and it falls apart pretty quickly

You might be right, but personally I think the issue is personnel, not the system. We have three fit central midfielders (none of which have any pace), one fit striker, two right wingers but no left winger, one fit right back with no pace who struggles to last 90 minutes. We have a bench of kids and inexperienced seniors. Whatever system we play right now there will be some square pegs in round holes, but as it is our two main issues are not tactics but our inability to defend set-pieces and to finish the chances we're creating. Personally I don't see how either of those things change by switching to a different formation, but maybe I'm missing something?

From OG's perspective I totally agree with you and others that he might be concerned about his ability to get the players he would need at United to succeed, but you would think that would be discussed were he to be interviewed. As sh!t as it is for us, an ambitious manager doesn't turn down United, so then it might come down to whether Palace would release him and what compensation they would want.

 

[taylors lovechild]

Didn’t he turn us down before?
I thought it was because he wanted to bring his entire entourage and we were not prepared to agree to that.
I may be wrong as the old grey matter isn’t what it once was!

Yes, apparently. His list of demands might not be so long if he got sacked for a second time this season. Plus if OG went he'd probably take his team with him.

If OG does go to United then the best outcome would be that wild rumour that we're after Xavi came to fruition. I'm sure that was a nonsense rumour, but it would be headline grabbing.

 

[orpingtoneagle]

I can see him being a good fit at United and if he were to go it suits everyone as Parish can spin it that rather than his actions resulting in OG not wishing to extend his tenure, the manager chose to leave for pastures new.

 

[Racehorse-80s]

Parish as an experienced Chairman should know that 3/4 months into a new season several top managers will be sacked creating opportunity’s for Glasnor with top clubs showing interest , You can’t guarantee being able to hold onto a quality manager but you can mitigate the chances of them leaving by buying players the club needed anyway given the extra conference league fixture and sale of Eze , It would also increase the chances of Glasnor signing a new contract .
With more new signings before the season Palace would be in the top 6 possibly 4th or 3rd ..

 

[JHB]

You might be right, but personally I think the issue is personnel, not the system. We have three fit central midfielders (none of which have any pace), one fit striker, two right wingers but no left winger, one fit right back with no pace who struggles to last 90 minutes. We have a bench of kids and inexperienced seniors. Whatever system we play right now there will be some square pegs in round holes, but as it is our two main issues are not tactics but our inability to defend set-pieces and to finish the chances we're creating. Personally I don't see how either of those things change by switching to a different formation, but maybe I'm missing something?

From OG's perspective I totally agree with you and others that he might be concerned about his ability to get the players he would need at United to succeed, but you would think that would be discussed were he to be interviewed. As sh!t as it is for us, an ambitious manager doesn't turn down United, so then it might come down to whether Palace would release him and what compensation they would want.

I think if United wanted him and he wanted to go we’d have to release him. You can’t have a manager who doesn’t want to be there.

On the system I agree the squad is missing some key pieces right now but that’s the point. With missing Kamada, Munoz and Sarr it’s gone to pieces. It’s not just a dip in form it’s one point from 15. That’s relegation form. Same last season where our first 8 games were dreadful. Clearly it is a system that needs all the right pieces in place.

 

[doombear]

I saw a really good analysis earlier in the season which showed why Glasner makes the system work and why Amorin doesn't.

If Glasner went I doubt the club would be prepared. I think Maresco will be entering a cooling off period before plotting for the City job, while I reckon Amorin will disappear back to Portugal. He's been a complete mess at United. More likely Nuno will get sacked by West Ham and we'll end up with him (which I actually don't think would be that bad despite his recent form).

Doubt it given the last time Parish interviewed him. As I recall, Nuno walked away because Parish wouldn't meet his demands.

 

[Palace Old Geezer]

Didn’t he turn us down before?
I thought it was because he wanted to bring his entire entourage and we were not prepared to agree to that.
I may be wrong as the old grey matter isn’t what it once was!

You're right. I'm in the 'Not in Favour' group. A lot of baggage there I think.

 

[doombear]

Didn’t he turn us down before?
I thought it was because he wanted to bring his entire entourage and we were not prepared to agree to that.
I may be wrong as the old grey matter isn’t what it once was!

Sorry answered before I read your post. Yes, you're not wrong and if I remember correctly, Nuno also wanted us to fork out for Gibbs-White.

 

[ASCPFC]

Didn’t he turn us down before?
I thought it was because he wanted to bring his entire entourage and we were not prepared to agree to that.
I may be wrong as the old grey matter isn’t what it once was!

He agreed but we didn't want to pay 11 million compensation to bring his entire staff with him. So we pulled out.

 

[doombear]

I think if United wanted him and he wanted to go we’d have to release him. You can’t have a manager who doesn’t want to be there.

On the system I agree the squad is missing some key pieces right now but that’s the point. With missing Kamada, Munoz and Sarr it’s gone to pieces. It’s not just a dip in form it’s one point from 15. That’s relegation form. Same last season where our first 8 games were dreadful. Clearly it is a system that needs all the right pieces in place.

Don't all systems need the right pieces in the right place? With the bare bones of our current squad, which system. if any, fits the bill? IMO none, so it's pointless asking the skeleton squad we currently have to try and learn a new one. Our current major problems (apart from injuries etc.) are:

1. Our profligacy in front of goal and
2. Our inability to defend the second phases of set pieces.

Glasner and his team can do something about the second problem. Not sure they can do much about the first.

 

[Paul Salvage]

You're right. I'm in the 'Not in Favour' group. A lot of baggage there I think.

I’m not too sure about him either. Why would any club look at a manager that is sacked by 2 clubs in one season? (Assuming West Ham sack )

 

[JHB]

Don't all systems need the right pieces in the right place? With the bare bones of our current squad, which system. if any, fits the bill? IMO none, so it's pointless asking the skeleton squad we currently have to try and learn a new one. Our current major problems (apart from injuries etc.) are:

1. Our profligacy in front of goal and
2. Our inability to defend the second phases of set pieces.

Glasner and his team can do something about the second problem. Not sure they can do much about the first.

Yes to an extent all systems need the right pieces but for some systems those pieces are easier to find than others. For example full backs are common in the game and it’s not that hard (relatively) to find decent ones or at least serviceable ones. Good wing backs are incredibly rare. There are maybe two or three in the whole EPL with Munoz being one. Equally there are quite a few players who work well in a midfield three but in a midfield two there are very few.

I’m not necessarily saying we should change system, though I’d have thought you’d change something when you are losing every game. What I am saying is the 343 system has a very specific profile for the players it needs and there are not many who fit it. Hence it is less able to cope with the loss of a couple of players than other ones.

 

[Paul Salvage]

Parish as an experienced Chairman should know that 3/4 months into a new season several top managers will be sacked creating opportunity’s for Glasnor with top clubs showing interest , You can’t guarantee being able to hold onto a quality manager but you can mitigate the chances of them leaving by buying players the club needed anyway given the extra conference league fixture and sale of Eze , It would also increase the chances of Glasnor signing a new contract .
With more new signings before the season Palace would be in the top 6 possibly 4th or 3rd ..

This isn’t a Parish love in from me, but spending loads and bringing in lots of players isn’t always a recipe for success. Chelsea have spent over 1.5billion and last season they finished mid table, and currently only sit 4 points above us!

 

[doombear]

This isn’t a Parish love in from me, but spending loads and bringing in lots of players isn’t always a recipe for success. Chelsea have spent over 1.5billion and last season they finished mid table, and currently only sit 4 points above us!

? They qualified for the Champions League by reason of their PL position of 4th.

 

[PatrickA]

If ,as rumoured , Man Utd appoint a caretaker manager for the rest of the season the implication is that their ultimate choice is unavailable until then.

It may be that Glasner is their choice and sadly for Palace that means much speculation for the rest of the season which must be unsettling for the players and the club with the relentless media obsessed with all things Manchester United.

Of course Glasner could kill that by signing a new contract with us, but that looks unlikely at present.

The thng is that if he was to announce that he was leaving at the end of the season there would the risk of the season tailing off with demotivated players as well as the complexities of trying to plan the summer transfer window and pre season when it's known the manager is off.

Quite a complicated situation for the club.