Immigration

I've not really discussed it for you to determine that. It's cost us dearly in many ways, I'm certain you;ve been told this but will just blame "implementation" even though implementation was not possible.
Was it not possible because the majority of MPs could not possibly implement what the plebs voted for?
 
Was it not possible because the majority of MPs could not possibly implement what the plebs voted for?

No. You got what you asked for precisely, to leave the EU. That literally was the vote and it did not specify how. That said, there was significant voice for exiting without a deal and that's exactly what the MPs gave the plebs.

The fact that it's shite, as you were all told it would be by the treasonous remoaners, is because what you imagined was not possible. That's what no deal is, total shite for us all*


*Not Farage's mate Crispin Odey who shorted sterling and made £200m in an hour.
 
Sometimes you get who you deserve. The US electorate came last for years. They get Trump. People in this country complain about Trump constantly. What the fvck has it got to do with a load of liberals in England to the level they’re complaining that the majority in the US want Trump?
You think Trump cares about anyone other than himself? Or more about the electorate than did Obama?

People don’t express concerns about Trump because the US people voted for him! They do because of the foreign policy he is pursuing, his abandonment of the leadership role occupied by the USA for so long, the cutting of ties with traditional allies and the building of relationships with autocrats.
 
But the people in charge are still all a bunch of @ssholes for not caring one iota for the actual citizens of this country, whether that’s having their living standards reduced by EU migration after 2004, or their living standards AND the country changing before their eyes with 3rd world immigration. I am more okay with the former but not the undercutting, but not okay with either because of the @ssholes in charge who don’t give a sh1t.
That’s all opinion. Ones that I disagree with which enough have as well to not see yours hold sway. Yet, and hopefully never.
 
You think Trump cares about anyone other than himself? Or more about the electorate than did Obama?

People don’t express concerns about Trump because the US people voted for him! They do because of the foreign policy he is pursuing, his abandonment of the leadership role occupied by the USA for so long, the cutting of ties with traditional allies and the building of relationships with autocrats.
TDS alert
 
Really? It was predicted that by 2021 there would be 2.5 m more immigrants than there were in 2011?
Not the detail, but the fact that stopping the free movement of people from the EU would not stop the need for additional people. Who would then come from outside the EU. Added to that was the anticipated return of so many EU citizens to either their own or other EU countries whin multiplied the demand for replacements.

It wasn’t just crazy, it was self defeating bat-shite crazy.
 
No. You got what you asked for precisely, to leave the EU. That literally was the vote and it did not specify how. That said, there was significant voice for exiting without a deal and that's exactly what the MPs gave the plebs.

The fact that it's shite, as you were all told it would be by the treasonous remoaners, is because what you imagined was not possible. That's what no deal is, total shite for us all*


*Not Farage's mate Crispin Odey who shorted sterling and made £200m in an hour.
We will never agree on this. MPs like May couldn’t bring themselves to listen to the plebs and made no attempt to implement Brexit. What was her husband involved in? Mmm. It was possible if Parliament had listened to the plebs rather than thinking about their own interests
 
Not the detail, but the fact that stopping the free movement of people from the EU would not stop the need for additional people. Who would then come from outside the EU. Added to that was the anticipated return of so many EU citizens to either their own or other EU countries whin multiplied the demand for replacements.

It wasn’t just crazy, it was self defeating bat-shite crazy.
It's an extra two and a half million people. Not replacements for anybody. 5000 a week for a decade.
 
almost since pre-history, immigration has been a thing. People looking for opportunities to earn and to better themselves. America was built upon the teeming masses arriving at Ellis Island.


However, this new thing we are now seeing. An immigrant arriving and straight onto the taxpayers teat. Its got no successful precedent in history. And who the hell ever voted that from their Government ? And again, it seems to now be very prevalent in all of Western Europe.
For the umpteenth time everyone wants to stop the illegal migration. The question is not if, but how. Arrivals by small boat constitute only around 5% of total immigration.

Most immigrants arrive either with work visas, so play a role in our economy and pay their taxes. Or as students, paying high fees to our Universities. Or as family members, reuniting loved ones.
 
Not the detail, but the fact that stopping the free movement of people from the EU would not stop the need for additional people. Who would then come from outside the EU. Added to that was the anticipated return of so many EU citizens to either their own or other EU countries whin multiplied the demand for replacements.

It wasn’t just crazy, it was self defeating bat-shite crazy.
Absolute nonsense. Please supply evidence to support the numbers in the “ anticipated return” category. There was never an accounting them in/out in place. None were asked on arrival/ departure what their intentions were, so how is there evidence. Many are now leaving because of the cost of living and crime.
As I have previously said, if they were living and working here and just registered ( as was always the case) they would have no problems in remaining
 
For the umpteenth time everyone wants to stop the illegal migration. The question is not if, but how. Arrivals by small boat constitute only around 5% of total immigration.

Most immigrants arrive either with work visas, so play a role in our economy and pay their taxes. Or as students, paying high fees to our Universities. Or as family members, reuniting loved ones.
And about 90% of illegal immigration. Unfortunately your views on immigration will never align with mine but presumably you know best
 
My hatred of the policies being pursued by those behind Trump is well justified. I have nothing but pity for the man himself. He is a very sad case of a friendless man obsessed with himself, who isn’t well.
I rest my case 🤣. Any proof he is a friendless man ? Or is that just an opinion? Any proof he is not well? From the man who said Biden was perfectly healthy
 
It's an extra two and a half million people. Not replacements for anybody. 5000 a week for a decade.
Not though illegals. People being invited here either to work, study or complete families.

If they weren’t needed they wouldn’t get the visas. Do you seriously think we should stop issuing them? We have already curtailed the family visa route for some, resulting in some workers deciding to look elsewhere in places showing greater tolerance.,
 
Not though illegals. People being invited here either to work, study or complete families.

If they weren’t needed they wouldn’t get the visas. Do you seriously think we should stop issuing them? We have already curtailed the family visa route for some, resulting in some workers deciding to look elsewhere in places showing greater tolerance.,
When we have a shortfall of 6.5 million homes and 1.83 million unemployed.
 

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