Immigration

[Wisbech Eagle]

One of the reasons why sexual crime may be higher in certain groups may have something to do with the religious texts they follow, which are at odds with our beliefs. But you keep sweeping the problem under the carpet.

It’s not swept under the carpet though. Religious beliefs must never be used as the justification of any crime and those who commit crime ought to be found and punished according to our laws.

It’s how you handle such beliefs within our society so that the number attempting to justify criminal activity because of them is reduced and then eliminated, that I think needs to be the focus. It’s action, not moans, that’s needed. Mass deportation of British citizens who happen to share a religious belief with others who use it to justify criminal behaviour isn’t going to happen. So what can be done? The only long term solution is to eliminate the justification and you can only do that with a relentless reeducation programme lasting for generations matched by a non tolerant pursuit of those who commit the crimes.

Removing specific religious teaching in schools and banning all religion from public life must be the answer. Religion should become a private and personal matter. Proselytising needs to become a criminal offence. It would meet huge resistance so would need to be explained at length. It would need to be done even handedly and not directed at one religion. Only our standards of tolerance, fairness and respect for others should be taught in schools and accepted in workplaces.

So no more religion on TV, other than dedicated channels. No more established Church, or public prayers. Services of remembrance to be non religious.

I will never witness it, but my great grandchildren probably will.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

The ex head of Border Force was on the radio this morning. Some interesting answers to the questions asked of him.
Firstly, he agreed that a deterrent is needed to stop the flow of migrants; he seemed to be supportive of the Rwanda scheme and that 'Smash The Gangs' is not working.
Since 2018 only 4% of those arriving by boat have been removed from the UK, therefore with a 96% chance of being 'accepted' is why the flood continues. Although, not mentioned in the same breath, it is likely that most of this 4% is due to the returns agreement with Albania.(Remember this when the government states how many have been removed; they are likely those who went through the proper channels but have overstayed etc.). Therefore replacing known individuals with unknown ones.

Border Force can only act within the law, and whilst he would like to pick up the migrants in UK waters and return them to France, the law does not permit this.

So, if the government doesn't change the law, nothing can be dome that isn't already being done. There was an element of frustration in the man's responses.

Just imagine what the outcome would be if we did try to return the illegal migrants to France. Do you seriously think they would just accept them? It would provoke a full blown crisis with the EU, just at the time when our relationship is improving and it’s essential it does. They could stop all the small boats leaving, put the migrants on bigger vessels and escort them to landing places they currently cannot reach.

The only way to deal with this is with international cooperation stopping the flow at source and rounding up the smugglers.

 

[Common Sense Club]

It’s not swept under the carpet though. Religious beliefs must never be used as the justification of any crime and those who commit crime ought to be found and punished according to our laws.

It’s how you handle such beliefs within our society so that the number attempting to justify criminal activity because of them is reduced and then eliminated, that I think needs to be the focus. It’s action, not moans, that’s needed. Mass deportation of British citizens who happen to share a religious belief with others who use it to justify criminal behaviour isn’t going to happen. So what can be done? The only long term solution is to eliminate the justification and you can only do that with a relentless reeducation programme lasting for generations matched by a non tolerant pursuit of those who commit the crimes.

Removing specific religious teaching in schools and banning all religion from public life must be the answer. Religion should become a private and personal matter. Proselytising needs to become a criminal offence. It would meet huge resistance so would need to be explained at length. It would need to be done even handedly and not directed at one religion. Only our standards of tolerance, fairness and respect for others should be taught in schools and accepted in workplaces.

So no more religion on TV, other than dedicated channels. No more established Church, or public prayers. Services of remembrance to be non religious.

I will never witness it, but my great grandchildren probably will.

Maybe you are understanding of the problems and how they could be solved.
The rest of us would prefer not to have the problems in the first place, and by letting in tens of thousands of men who cannot prove who they are and who may have conflicting views to ourselves is only making the problem worse.
The only way to stop it is to use 'Trump like' tactics that gives the French an ultimatum they cannot refuse. But you would object on the basis that it is something that Trump could use irrespective of any possible result.
So...sweeping it under the carpet is probably the current result.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

It’s not swept under the carpet though. Religious beliefs must never be used as the justification of any crime and those who commit crime ought to be found and punished according to our laws.

It’s how you handle such beliefs within our society so that the number attempting to justify criminal activity because of them is reduced and then eliminated, that I think needs to be the focus. It’s action, not moans, that’s needed. Mass deportation of British citizens who happen to share a religious belief with others who use it to justify criminal behaviour isn’t going to happen. So what can be done? The only long term solution is to eliminate the justification and you can only do that with a relentless reeducation programme lasting for generations matched by a non tolerant pursuit of those who commit the crimes.

Removing specific religious teaching in schools and banning all religion from public life must be the answer. Religion should become a private and personal matter. Proselytising needs to become a criminal offence. It would meet huge resistance so would need to be explained at length. It would need to be done even handedly and not directed at one religion. Only our standards of tolerance, fairness and respect for others should be taught in schools and accepted in workplaces.

So no more religion on TV, other than dedicated channels. No more established Church, or public prayers. Services of remembrance to be non religious.

I will never witness it, but my great grandchildren probably will.

And using education, if your great grand children don't see a change to law-abiding behaviour, then they might become child sex-slaves for shopkeepers. How many generations of white women and children must become victims, before the problem is 'sorted'. ?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Just imagine what the outcome would be if we did try to return the illegal migrants to France. Do you seriously think they would just accept them? It would provoke a full blown crisis with the EU, just at the time when our relationship is improving and it’s essential it does. They could stop all the small boats leaving, put the migrants on bigger vessels and escort them to landing places they currently cannot reach.

The only way to deal with this is with international cooperation stopping the flow at source and rounding up the smugglers.

How's that worked out with drug dealers?

 

[Common Sense Club]

Just imagine what the outcome would be if we did try to return the illegal migrants to France. Do you seriously think they would just accept them? It would provoke a full blown crisis with the EU, just at the time when our relationship is improving and it’s essential it does. They could stop all the small boats leaving, put the migrants on bigger vessels and escort them to landing places they currently cannot reach.

The only way to deal with this is with international cooperation stopping the flow at source and rounding up the smugglers.

We have been trying international cooperation for years, and we are seeing an increasing number of illegal migrants entering the country, so that is not working. Drastic actions are required...but you would prefer to talk to the EU. Do you know that the EU has been talking for 25 years to get a trade deal with South America - 25 years! They now have it but the French farmers are protesting against it.
We cannot wait 25 more years.

 

[beak]

We have been trying international cooperation for years, and we are seeing an increasing number of illegal migrants entering the country, so that is not working. Drastic actions are required...but you would prefer to talk to the EU. Do you know that the EU has been talking for 25 years to get a trade deal with South America - 25 years! They now have it but the French farmers are protesting against it.
We cannot wait 25 more years.

Somewhat confused are we talking about immigration? International relations? Or the state that South America is in?

 

[Spindle]

What the Guardian had to say isn’t crap. It’s factual. There’s reasons why the offending rates are higher in some groups. Primarily because of the age profiles involved.

So being a gang rapist isn't down to culture, it's down to age. lol

You talk so much shite

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Maybe you are understanding of the problems and how they could be solved.
The rest of us would prefer not to have the problems in the first place, and by letting in tens of thousands of men who cannot prove who they are and who may have conflicting views to ourselves is only making the problem worse.
The only way to stop it is to use 'Trump like' tactics that gives the French an ultimatum they cannot refuse. But you would object on the basis that it is something that Trump could use irrespective of any possible result.
So...sweeping it under the carpet is probably the current result.

To quote Victor Meldrew, “you cannot be serious”!

We could not give the Dogger Bank an ultimatum they couldn’t refuse on our own these days. We certainly couldn’t give one to another NATO country and EU member. It’s unthinkable. Trump gets away with it, until he gets replaced, when the scales of justice will be weighed.

Preferring not to have something doesn’t mean you haven’t got it. We have and if a simple solution existed it would have been applied years ago.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

So being a gang rapist isn't down to culture, it's down to age. lol

You talk so much shite

The Guardian’s reporting doesn’t suggest that. Obviously for some it is a cultural problem. One that needs to be eradicated from that culture in our country.

The reporting suggests that the statistics get distorted by the preponderance of younger men in some of the groups being measured than in others.

The point is that we need to target those whose attitudes need to be corrected and not immigrants as a whole, most of whose don’t.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

How's that worked out with drug dealers?

Very different issue that demands a very different approach.

 

[Common Sense Club]

Somewhat confused are we talking about immigration? International relations? Or the state that South America is in?

Sorry to confuse you. I was detailing how long it can take the EU to negotiate something, hence I wasn't expecting them to be quick to help with the immigration problem.

 

[Common Sense Club]

To quote Victor Meldrew, “you cannot be serious”!

We could not give the Dogger Bank an ultimatum they couldn’t refuse on our own these days. We certainly couldn’t give one to another NATO country and EU member. It’s unthinkable. Trump gets away with it, until he gets replaced, when the scales of justice will be weighed.

Preferring not to have something doesn’t mean you haven’t got it. We have and if a simple solution existed it would have been applied years ago.

I am serious. The fact that we don't have a current crop of ministers who have the ability to do something is part of the problem
Is the southern border of the US more or less porous since Trump came to power?

 

[Common Sense Club]

The Guardian’s reporting doesn’t suggest that. Obviously for some it is a cultural problem. One that needs to be eradicated from that culture in our country.

The reporting suggests that the statistics get distorted by the preponderance of younger men in some of the groups being measured than in others.

The point is that we need to target those whose attitudes need to be corrected and not immigrants as a whole, most of whose don’t.

Perhaps we could have someone on the South Coast explaining the rights that women have in this country rather than letting the migrants walk around our towns and cities with only the cultural beliefs of the country that have left to 'guide' them.

 

[beak]

Sorry to confuse you. I was detailing how long it can take the EU to negotiate something, hence I wasn't expecting them to be quick to help with the immigration problem.

Brexit was a rush job then.

 

[cryrst]

It’s not swept under the carpet though. Religious beliefs must never be used as the justification of any crime and those who commit crime ought to be found and punished according to our laws.

It’s how you handle such beliefs within our society so that the number attempting to justify criminal activity because of them is reduced and then eliminated, that I think needs to be the focus. It’s action, not moans, that’s needed. Mass deportation of British citizens who happen to share a religious belief with others who use it to justify criminal behaviour isn’t going to happen. So what can be done? The only long term solution is to eliminate the justification and you can only do that with a relentless reeducation programme lasting for generations matched by a non tolerant pursuit of those who commit the crimes.

Removing specific religious teaching in schools and banning all religion from public life must be the answer. Religion should become a private and personal matter. Proselytising needs to become a criminal offence. It would meet huge resistance so would need to be explained at length. It would need to be done even handedly and not directed at one religion. Only our standards of tolerance, fairness and respect for others should be taught in schools and accepted in workplaces.

So no more religion on TV, other than dedicated channels. No more established Church, or public prayers. Services of remembrance to be non religious.

I will never witness it, but my great grandchildren probably will.

The poster asked it may be the case with the texts they read. I would say it is the case. What do you think ? Take your solicitor head off for once !

 

[Rudi Hedman]

The Guardian’s reporting doesn’t suggest that. Obviously for some it is a cultural problem. One that needs to be eradicated from that culture in our country.

The reporting suggests that the statistics get distorted by the preponderance of younger men in some of the groups being measured than in others.

The point is that we need to target those whose attitudes need to be corrected and not immigrants as a whole, most of whose don’t.

If your own granddaughter gets sexually assaulted by a migrant from one of these cultures I advise to not say a fecking word.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Very different issue that demands a very different approach.

The point being that however many gangs of smugglers/dealers are caught there are always others to replace them.

 

[cryrst]

If your own granddaughter gets sexually assaulted by a migrant from one of these cultures I advise to not say a fecking word.

Nah it would be her fault for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Some of these girls were just asking to be raped !

 

[Spiderman]

Just imagine what the outcome would be if we did try to return the illegal migrants to France. Do you seriously think they would just accept them? It would provoke a full blown crisis with the EU, just at the time when our relationship is improving and it’s essential it does. They could stop all the small boats leaving, put the migrants on bigger vessels and escort them to landing places they currently cannot reach.

The only way to deal with this is with international cooperation stopping the flow at source and rounding up the smugglers.

What a load of nonsense