Ollie must be the priority signing

[ASCPFC]

So does Parish back Glasner in January. Knowing either Glasner doesn't sign a new contract or a bigger team comes in for Glasner anyway?

It a tough one.

Depends on what our plans are. Could be we've a player or two lined up. It's not something we can really broadcast as West Ham or Forest will be circling. I presume there's some substance to at least Boey. And we'd need him whether Glasner stays or not. As Munoz will not stay forever.

 

[Crystal_Clear]

Glasner is not staying, seems obvious after comments made on Sunday.
His stock is so high, he could goto to a number of bigger clubs in the summer, given the position is available.
He has seen that the board are small time, and no matter what happens in January, his confidence in them must be broken.

Shame really.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Glasner is not staying, seems obvious after comments made on Sunday.
His stock is so high, he could goto to a number of bigger clubs in the summer, given the position is available.
He has seen that the board are small time, and no matter what happens in January, his confidence in them must be broken.

Shame really.

Yet another manager who will move on because he fell out with Parish.

I see it like this. If we don't have the money, then we obviously can't spend it. If we do, then what is stopping us?

Is Parish too careful, or is Oliver Glasner unrealistic?

 

[Willo]

Yet another manager who will move on because he fell out with Parish.

I see it like this. If we don't have the money, then we obviously can't spend it. If we do, then what is stopping us?

Is Parish too careful, or is Oliver Glasner unrealistic?

Steve Parish keeps getting mentioned but let us not forget there are other owners on the 'Board' who will also play a pivotal role in terms of the 'Financials'.
Apropos whether Glasner is unrealistic, he obviously believes he is not being "Unrealistic" expecting the club to invest rather than save after they have won the FA Cup,qualified for a European competition and faced the extra demands of the fixture schedule.
Finally, whether Glasner is actually at the club in January when the 'Window' opens is a matter for debate.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Yet another manager who will move on because he fell out with Parish.

I see it like this. If we don't have the money, then we obviously can't spend it. If we do, then what is stopping us?

Is Parish too careful, or is Oliver Glasner unrealistic?

I think both are correct from different points of view, Parish wants the club to remain in the Premier league under sustainable conditions, Glasner wants to win everything, but has to realise what type of club we are, he needs to be more flexible in all aspects, look at Leicester, bottom half of the Championship with a 12 point deduction to come, because of financial irregularities.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Steve Parish keeps getting mentioned but let us not forget there are other owners on the 'Board' who will also play a pivotal role in terms of the 'Financials'.
Apropos whether Glasner is unrealistic, he obviously believes he is not being "Unrealistic" expecting the club to invest rather than save after they have won the FA Cup,qualified for a European competition and faced the extra demands of the fixture schedule.
Finally, whether Glasner is actually at the club in January when the 'Window' opens is a matter for debate.

But surely the key question is, are we spending what we can within the current rules?
I don't know how the board come to these decisions, but as chairman, Parish speaks for all of them.

 

[Willo]

But surely the key question is, are we spending what we can within the current rules?
I don't know how the board come to these decisions, but as chairman, Parish speaks for all of them.

Parish is in the 'Shop Window', the others are goods at the back.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I think both are correct from different points of view, Parish wants the club to remain in the Premier league under sustainable conditions, Glasner wants to win everything, but has to realise what type of club we are, he needs to be more flexible in all aspects, look at Leicester, bottom half of the Championship with a 12 point deduction to come, because of financial irregularities.

Our recent signings suggest that we are a club who will never get into Europe via the league.
This is why we so desperately need to increase our revenue.

If the board aren't spending what is currently available, then they should shoulder the blame if we achieve nothing this season.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Our recent signings suggest that we are a club who will never get into Europe via the league.
This is why we so desperately need to increase our revenue.

If the board aren't spending what is currently available, then they should shoulder the blame if we achieve nothing this season.

100% Correct, but i do not know if they are, i fail to understand why we don't use the Loan system more.

 

[taylors lovechild]

100% Correct, but i do not know if they are, i fail to understand why we don't use the Loan system more.

My guess would be it's because there is no return on your investment. You pay a player's wages, plus a loan fee, and then at the end they return to their parent club with no way of Palace recovering the cost. Nonetheless, with the rigours of Europe, you can't help but feel it would have made sense to use the loan market this season.

As much as I love having OG as our manager, I'm not sure we could match his ambitions even if we had deeper pockets. The best players want to play for Champions League clubs, so it's not just about money.

 

[SurbsEagle]

I must admit I find a few takes on OG's contract situation quite baffling.

1 - if OG thinks he's too big for the club then he wouldn't have joined us in the first place. He is a very thorough man who works in the finer details, he would have known what Palace were before he joined and yet was happy to be a part of it (and earlier than originally planned). Since he has been with Palace, we have brought in some serious talent - Yeremy Pino, 22 year old Spanish international who starts games regularly for Spain. Daichi Kamada, Japanese international who was highly sought after in both France and Germany but chose Palace. £25m on Eddie Nketiah, if he clicks with us would easily be in the England squad as a Kane back up. Just a few examples of the investment Glasner has received, not to mention keeping Guehi at a cost to the club.

2 - Thomas Frank is a shining example of how the grass in not always greener just because a club plays in the Champions League. Glasner is not going to manage a regular top 4 club so he would going to a Spurs, Villa, Newcastle, United etc. Are they really attractive propositions in comparison to what he has at Palace? He loves football, loves connecting with the fans and lifting the club - he's not in it for the money.

3 - Glasner bemoans a lack of transfer activity within the club due to Sarr's injury. We have 3 replacements for Sarr - Franca, Glasner didn't fancy him so shipped him out on loan (probably rightly so). Esse, Glasner seems to have fallen out with him and refuses to play him at the most obvious of times (OG's fault). Uche, Glasner doesn't fancy him for whatever reason and that fact is even being leaked to the press. Not too sure how the club could back Glasner more to be honest. We have a big squad, the only position on paper I would say we are light is Munoz at RB. Glasner picks the team, no one else. If they are being injured from being overworked, no amount of investment would change that.

Glasner and Parish have a good relationship so I'm sure not much has been made of this in house. All in all, I think Glasner is just stating the obvious when it comes to how he feels, not really surprising to anyone as it's a pretty common theme that runs through most football clubs.

 

[doombear]

But surely the key question is, are we spending what we can within the current rules?
I don't know how the board come to these decisions, but as chairman, Parish speaks for all of them.

I suggest it's not about PSR but Uefa's tougher financial rules towards which the PL is moving with their new system. Let's not forget that both Chelsea and Villa got heavy fines from Uefa with much larger ones hanging over them if they don't sort themselves out as per below:

"Chelsea and Aston Villa have been fined by UEFA for breaching financial sustainability regulations. Here are the details of the fines and potential future penalties:

• Chelsea: £27 million in fines, with an additional £51.2 million if they do not comply with the football earnings rule within the next four years. They will also face a £17.2 million fine for breaching the football earnings rule.
  https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=9e02...Zm9yLWJyZWFjaGluZy1maW5hbmNpYWwtcnVsZXM&ntb=1
• Aston Villa: £9.5 million in fines, with an additional £17.2 million if they do not comply with the three-year settlement agreement. They will also face a £4.3 million fine for reporting a squad cost ratio in excess of 80%.
  https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=9e02...Zm9yLWJyZWFjaGluZy1maW5hbmNpYWwtcnVsZXM&ntb=1
  
  Both clubs have agreed to restrictions on registering new players for UEFA competitions in the 2025/26 season, unless the value of new signings added to their squads is recouped in sales. Chelsea's restrictions will also be in place for the 2026/2027 season. Aston Villa's restrictions will be in place for the 2026/2027 season as well.
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[Teddy Eagle]

My guess would be it's because there is no return on your investment. You pay a player's wages, plus a loan fee, and then at the end they return to their parent club with no way of Palace recovering the cost. Nonetheless, with the rigours of Europe, you can't help but feel it would have made sense to use the loan market this season.

As much as I love having OG as our manager, I'm not sure we could match his ambitions even if we had deeper pockets. The best players want to play for Champions League clubs, so it's not just about money.

I agree except the last sentence, from the players' perspective anyway - they want to play in the Champions League because those clubs generally pay the highest wages. If it was about the competition they'd be queuing up to sign for Celtic for £20k a week.

 

[taylors lovechild]

I agree except the last sentence, from the players' perspective anyway - they want to play in the Champions League because those clubs generally pay the highest wages. If it was about the competition they'd be queuing up to sign for Celtic for £20k a week.

I think players still want to play in a top domestic league too, though. This is probably also partly due to money, although if it was all about the money they'd just go to Saudi Arabia (and some do).

 

[Crystal_Clear]

The thing is we didn't even spend all money from the Eze deal, plus the 5-6m from selling Eduoard.

We went into a season with more games, yet didn't reinforce the money were are getting (albeit over structured payments).

And once again, it was a scramble on the last day of the window. Someone on the board must directing/controlling this strategy.

 

[NMPalace]

I must admit I find a few takes on OG's contract situation quite baffling.

1 - if OG thinks he's too big for the club then he wouldn't have joined us in the first place. He is a very thorough man who works in the finer details, he would have known what Palace were before he joined and yet was happy to be a part of it (and earlier than originally planned). Since he has been with Palace, we have brought in some serious talent - Yeremy Pino, 22 year old Spanish international who starts games regularly for Spain. Daichi Kamada, Japanese international who was highly sought after in both France and Germany but chose Palace. £25m on Eddie Nketiah, if he clicks with us would easily be in the England squad as a Kane back up. Just a few examples of the investment Glasner has received, not to mention keeping Guehi at a cost to the club.

2 - Thomas Frank is a shining example of how the grass in not always greener just because a club plays in the Champions League. Glasner is not going to manage a regular top 4 club so he would going to a Spurs, Villa, Newcastle, United etc. Are they really attractive propositions in comparison to what he has at Palace? He loves football, loves connecting with the fans and lifting the club - he's not in it for the money.

3 - Glasner bemoans a lack of transfer activity within the club due to Sarr's injury. We have 3 replacements for Sarr - Franca, Glasner didn't fancy him so shipped him out on loan (probably rightly so). Esse, Glasner seems to have fallen out with him and refuses to play him at the most obvious of times (OG's fault). Uche, Glasner doesn't fancy him for whatever reason and that fact is even being leaked to the press. Not too sure how the club could back Glasner more to be honest. We have a big squad, the only position on paper I would say we are light is Munoz at RB. Glasner picks the team, no one else. If they are being injured from being overworked, no amount of investment would change that.

Glasner and Parish have a good relationship so I'm sure not much has been made of this in house. All in all, I think Glasner is just stating the obvious when it comes to how he feels, not really surprising to anyone as it's a pretty common theme that runs through most football clubs.

Some good points but a few questionable ones too.

Why did OG join us if as we are not a big club? Firstly, he wasn't in work so that is always a motivation to get back 'in the saddle' and earn some money.
I believe he saw potential in us, it would give him Premier League exposure and most crucially he only signed a 2.5 year contract to ensure he wasn't over committing.
Essentially he saw Palace as a potential stepping stone. In that respect it has worked out very well for all parties.

I agree he probably won't get a top 4 club offer, however, you are limiting your view to the Premier League. We know Bayern were previously interested.

Regarding the transfer activity surely he has a strong point. The front 3 and back 3 pick themselves so any injuries would be significant.

As for your 3 examples for Sarr replacements OG clearly doesn't rate them. Franca seemed to be a panic buy with no logic to it, Esse was a Dougie choice who has struggled to adapt to the way we play (still time etc) so Uche is perhaps the only surprise. Clearly we don't see what goes on in training but he doesn't appear to be trusted/rated etc. I was hoping Uche would be an upgrade on Ayew, someone who could play anywhere across the front 3.

We knew we would 'lose' Sarr in Dec/Jan for the Afcon and with only 2 strikers (Mateta and Eddie) to not get another striker in was poor. A young(ish) lower league player who would sit on the bench and play 20 minutes here and there and a few cup matches would have been ideal (essentially what Plange was bought in to do until we realised he wasn't actually very good).

 

[Eagleman13]

The thing is we didn't even spend all money from the Eze deal, plus the 5-6m from selling Eduoard.

We went into a season with more games, yet didn't reinforce the money were are getting (albeit over structured payments).

And once again, it was a scramble on the last day of the window. Someone on the board must directing/controlling this strategy.

Not quite true i'm afraid. SP stated in the summer, & it was mentioned on this forum, that there were outstanding payments from players bought that had to be paid. which is why, due to PSR we didn't have an awful lot of money to play with, that & the UEFA/MCO fiasco.

 

[doombear]

Not quite true i'm afraid. SP stated in the summer, & it was mentioned on this forum, that there were outstanding payments from players bought that had to be paid. which is why, due to PSR we didn't have an awful lot of money to play with, that & the UEFA/MCO fiasco.

And as I posted abov e in this thread. the Uefa finance rules are tougher than PSR - just ask Chelsea and Villa.

 

[madcap_v2]

I can't help but think, we are helplessly watching our greatest ever manager slip away from us in real time. He is being very vocal, not about his displeasure, but the things that are making him unhappy in his role.

I get we don't have a lot of money to spend and we would have been banking maybe on having some Guehi proceeds, but I really struggle to believe we have spent all the money we have received/are due to receive from the Olise and Eze transfers.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

I can't help but think, we are helplessly watching our greatest ever manager slip away from us in real time. He is being very vocal, not about his displeasure, but the things that are making him unhappy in his role.

I get we don't have a lot of money to spend and we would have been banking maybe on having some Guehi proceeds, but I really struggle to believe we have spent all the money we have received/are due to receive from the Olise and Eze transfers.

He, isn't, but we had the greatest squad, don't get confused about the two, Roy Hodgson did a remarkable job, from 2017/21 keeping us in the Premier League, and then returning after Vieira had made a complete Pigs ear of everything, Pardew got us to 10th, and the final, Coppell our greatest manager by far, got us third in the top division, and got us into Europe, that was taken away from us, OG has a lot to do to claim he is number 1,