Crystal Palace vs Man Utd match thread

[Willo]

Are the wheels coming off the cart? Historically things fall apart slowly at first, and then all of a sudden. Some folks are surprised by the suddeness, not noticing the slow build up. It seems to me that the club has over-reached that which, given its resources, it is capable of successfully achieving. Which is competing at the highest level in the league and in Europe, and in two domestic cup competitions.
Although the club is reliant on the sale of quality players the loss of both Eze and Olise in quick succession has left an attacking hole not yet filled. This is becoming apparent as the season progresses and many chances are missed. Things don't happen immediately, pieces are patiently put in place for the whole picture to emerge, and conversely its the same when pieces are taken away and not replaced, slowly but surely things deteriorate.
Oliver Glasner will leave, Parish will appoint someone else. Palace will find its own level, which in recent years has been between 12th and 14th. Most of the current first 11 will leave, Parish cashing in whilst the going is good.
Enjoy it while you can.

I share your perspective on these matters.

 

[BromleyMonkey]

Even if he’s right. Is that what you say in public? Parish is a true guardian of the club. He might not get it right all the time but he has its interests at heart.

And he is coming across like a spoiled brat. It’s the timing. He said it when he was upset coz we lost another match we should have won. Those goals we didn’t take were in the 1st halves. That’s not tiredness. (Although the players are clearly knackered) First time I have been disappointed at OG. He came across pathetically. Which is a shame.

It was nice while it lasted. Cheerio

Spot on, these sort of comments are usually the beginning of the end for managers at clubs, once you start having little swipes at the board/owners it normally only ends one way. Although at least Ollie has got a bit in the bank for what he’s achieved and he won’t be getting the sack, it’ll be him walking away
Parish is more important than any manager or player to our club, even a manager who’s won us the fa cup.

 

[PatrickA]

Are the wheels coming off the cart? Historically things fall apart slowly at first, and then all of a sudden. Some folks are surprised by the suddeness, not noticing the slow build up. It seems to me that the club has over-reached that which, given its resources, it is capable of successfully achieving. Which is competing at the highest level in the league and in Europe, and in two domestic cup competitions.
Although the club is reliant on the sale of quality players the loss of both Eze and Olise in quick succession has left an attacking hole not yet filled. This is becoming apparent as the season progresses and many chances are missed. Things don't happen immediately, pieces are patiently put in place for the whole picture to emerge, and conversely its the same when pieces are taken away and not replaced, slowly but surely things deteriorate.
Oliver Glasner will leave, Parish will appoint someone else. Palace will find its own level, which in recent years has been between 12th and 14th. Most of the current first 11 will leave, Parish cashing in whilst the going is good.
Enjoy it while you can.

I agree with most of this until the final sentence.
I don't think most of the current first 11 will leave, at least over the next year or so.
We haven't really been a selling club under Parish, and his mantra has been to stage sales so we lose no more than one superstar at a time.
I acknowledge that could be a challenge for Parish at the end of the season if Glasner and Guehi depart together with question marks over Mateta.

We are certainly going to have a period of transition at the end of the season with a number of the squad coming to the end of their contracts.

The January window may offer some pointers.
There's no point buying players who Glasner wants if he's going to leave a matter of months later.
On the other hand, there's little point buying players that Glasner won't select.
Perhaps it's time for a fudge - loan a player or two that Glasner will use, but not be saddled with a long term salary package.

 

[Willo]

Spot on, these sort of comments are usually the beginning of the end for managers at clubs, once you start having little swipes at the board/owners it normally only ends one way. Although at least Ollie has got a bit in the bank for what he’s achieved and he won’t be getting the sack, it’ll be him walking away
Parish is more important than any manager or player to our club, even a manager who’s won us the fa cup.

If I may, I am posing this question :
Do you believe that Glasner has already decided that it is not in his best interests to continue at the club past the end of his contract and has communicated this to the 'Board' ?

 

[BromleyMonkey]

If I may, I am posing this question :
Do you believe that Glasner has already decided that it is not in his best interests to continue at the club past the end of his contract and has communicated this to the 'Board' ?

I exoect so, Ollie will be having trouble getting his head through door ways 🤣 and will know his stock is high, I’m sure he will have put it across to SP that if he doesn’t back him he’s off. I should imagine whatever SP does in January is probably too late, the damage(in Ollie’s mind) was done back in the summer.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

A man who lashes out -cares- a mercenary who doesn't give a fig would say little and float off,his outburst is heartfelt. I realise the economic fundamentals of the club and I also realise that we have bought a long list of duds over the last twenty years.

I am though beginning to question what it is he really cares about. We care about our team and, regarding football, nothing else. He primarily cares about himself and the future he can make for the benefit of his family. Nothing wrong with that but it’s feeling as though he has now concluded he has taken his reputation to the highest level he can with us and it’s time to cash in on it.

How Steve Parish, and the rest of the Board, respond is going to be both interesting and critical.

 

[park the bus]

I agree with most of this until the final sentence.
I don't think most of the current first 11 will leave, at least over the next year or so.
We haven't really been a selling club under Parish, and his mantra has been to stage sales so we lose no more than one superstar at a time.
I acknowledge that could be a challenge for Parish at the end of the season if Glasner and Guehi depart together with question marks over Mateta.

We are certainly going to have a period of transition at the end of the season with a number of the squad coming to the end of their contracts.

The January window may offer some pointers.
There's no point buying players who Glasner wants if he's going to leave a matter of months later.
On the other hand, there's little point buying players that Glasner won't select.
Perhaps it's time for a fudge - loan a player or two that Glasner will use, but not be saddled with a long term salary package.

It would depend upon the contract terms of individual players, offers made by other clubs, and what Parish is prepared to offer to retain our best players. The way he handled the Guehi episode made me wonder, that was shoddy to say the least.
I agree with your other points, there's no good reason to bring in players for a manager who is leaving.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Spot on, these sort of comments are usually the beginning of the end for managers at clubs, once you start having little swipes at the board/owners it normally only ends one way. Although at least Ollie has got a bit in the bank for what he’s achieved and he won’t be getting the sack, it’ll be him walking away
Parish is more important than any manager or player to our club, even a manager who’s won us the fa cup.

Probably not. It’s just as well I never worked in football then for any employee of mine who publicly made those sort of comments would soon be out the door!

I suspect the recruitment of our next manager began yesterday, if it wasn’t already started.

You can sense some unsettled players faces too.

 

[Willo]

The debate has centred around the comments of Glasner rather than on the game instead !
I have long maintained that I was not expecting Glasner to be at our club next season.
I have messages on my phone this morning from those outside of HOL interested to be in receipt of my comments. 👍

 

[OneStevePerrin]

Even if we had brought in players during last summer that Glasner wanted we would still be in the position of being knackered in playing so many matches especially Thursday and weekend games. Those replaced players would have been moved on and Glasner would still not be rotating. We now have two matches that should cement our position near the top of the table. However, we are so knackered because Glasner won’t rotate that we are going to drop down the table. It’s not good management of a squad that has unused players. Should we also have kept hold of Rak Saki, Ozoh and Edouard?

 

[HKOwen]

Even if he’s right. Is that what you say in public? Parish is a true guardian of the club. He might not get it right all the time but he has its interests at heart.

And he is coming across like a spoiled brat. It’s the timing. He said it when he was upset coz we lost another match we should have won. Those goals we didn’t take were in the 1st halves. That’s not tiredness. (Although the players are clearly knackered) First time I have been disappointed at OG. He came across pathetically. Which is a shame.

It was nice while it lasted. Cheerio

Parish is not doing the job out of the goodness of his heart, he has a very substantial salary.

Glasner is getting as much out of the squad as he can and more than many others could manage.

I wonder what he may have been told or promised that hasn't materialised, that seems a repeating theme at Palace.

We don't seem to have any cash forthcoming from the owners , last window was a good example of hope over spending

 

[Willo]

Even if we had brought in players during last summer that Glasner wanted we would still be in the position of being knackered in playing so many matches especially Thursday and weekend games. Those replaced players would have been moved on and Glasner would still not be rotating. We now have two matches that should cement our position near the top of the table. However, we are so knackered because Glasner won’t rotate that we are going to drop down the table. It’s not good management of a squad that has unused players. Should we also have kept hold of Rak Saki, Ozoh and Edouard?

In the final anaysis, it seems apparent that Glasner has formed a judgement on some of our 'Fringe' players and his conclusion is not positive. He therefore believes he has no option but to limit rotation.
Looking at some of those familiar with the bench I share his opinion.

 

[ASCPFC]

Even if we had brought in players during last summer that Glasner wanted we would still be in the position of being knackered in playing so many matches especially Thursday and weekend games. Those replaced players would have been moved on and Glasner would still not be rotating. We now have two matches that should cement our position near the top of the table. However, we are so knackered because Glasner won’t rotate that we are going to drop down the table. It’s not good management of a squad that has unused players. Should we also have kept hold of Rak Saki, Ozoh and Edouard?

I would have kept Rak-Sakyi for the Conference League. He would have counted as home grown at club and either not need to be registered or given us an extra body. To think that he isn't good enough for Kups, Frederikstad, Larnaka, Shelbourne etc is poor judgement. He's higher than that level and we could have rested Sarr. Who is now injured. He was the only one of the loanees I'd have kept however, maybe Whitworth or Goodman as I think they're better than Matthews.

 

[Willo]

I would have kept Rak-Sakyi for the Conference League. He would have counted as home grown at club and either not need to be registered or given us an extra body. To think that he isn't good enough for Kups, Frederikstad, Larnaka, Shelbourne etc is poor judgement. He's higher than that level and we could have rested Sarr. Who is now injured. He was the only one of the loanees I'd have kept however, maybe Whitworth or Goodman as I think they're better than Matthews.

Both Whitworth and Goodman are getting invaluable experience playing in their 1st teams rather than sitting on the bench for us.
The experienced Benitez is a capable replacement if Henderson is unavailable.Matthews is down the 'Pecking order'.

 

[ASCPFC]

Both Whitworth and Goodman are getting invaluable experience playing in their 1st teams rather than sitting on the bench for us.
The experienced Benitez is a capable replacement if Henderson is unavailable.Matthews is down the 'Pecking order'.

True, but again they could have played the odd game. There is no point putting out a full team against Shelbourne. But we will.

 

[beak]

I am though beginning to question what it is he really cares about. We care about our team and, regarding football, nothing else. He primarily cares about himself and the future he can make for the benefit of his family. Nothing wrong with that but it’s feeling as though he has now concluded he has taken his reputation to the highest level he can with us and it’s time to cash in on it.

How Steve Parish, and the rest of the Board, respond is going to be both interesting and critical.

He would like to stay IF conditions suit but Parish would have to listen and react to his needs we keep looking at Glasner but Parish must take stock.

 

[park the bus]

True, but again they could have played the odd game. There is no point putting out a full team against Shelbourne. But we will.

These are games we need to win to progress, therefore OG will put out his strongest side, he doesn't have much choice if he wishes to avoid further debacle.

 

[ASCPFC]

I am though beginning to question what it is he really cares about. We care about our team and, regarding football, nothing else. He primarily cares about himself and the future he can make for the benefit of his family. Nothing wrong with that but it’s feeling as though he has now concluded he has taken his reputation to the highest level he can with us and it’s time to cash in on it.

How Steve Parish, and the rest of the Board, respond is going to be both interesting and critical.

I tend to agree and have posted similar for some time. We're Crystal Palace and we are what we are. We're not Glasner FC oven-ready players when you want. We rely on developing youth or rough diamonds. I'm tempted to say we've missed a huge chance to develop a couple of players this season. It's hard to know because they're not getting the chances. Esse is the main one really. Looked promising, scored on debut. Barely used since. Hooked off for dribbling. I didn't agree with that. I hope he can still shine. I also personally believe Rak-Sakyi is good enough and it isn't long until Imray will be. With Glasner will any ever be used?
I don't think Glasner's and Parish's visions align. Which should all have been discussed but sounds like it's coming out in the press more than in conversations.

 

[Willo]

These are games we need to win to progress, therefore OG will put out his strongest side, he doesn't have much choice if he wishes to avoid further debacle.

Absolutely.

Apropos Strasbourg, prior to the match I commented on HOL about their impressive home record this season and the fact that they had only conceded 2 goals in those 6 games. Interestingly, the match commentator mirrored my stats !!
I also praised Liam Rosenior and I for one was fully expressing a challenging encounter.This was not the game to introduce the 'Fringe' players into the starting 11.

 

[ASCPFC]

These are games we need to win to progress, therefore OG will put out his strongest side, he doesn't have much choice if he wishes to avoid further debacle.

It could be using the same team leads to the debacle though couldn't it? Fresh legs and a desire to impress could easily win the day against, frankly, absolutely s*** teams. They're not League One standard. Nor were Larnaka, nor are Kups. That's actually part of the issue here. We're compounding our own issues by not giving people the chance to impress.