US Politics

[Wisbech Eagle]

They changed the entire meaning of what he said and the only reason you don't want to see it is because it doesn't fit the agenda of Trump being a bad man. It was the BBC. It was Trump. Case closed.

It just didn’t.

I remember the programme. Unfortunately it’s no longer available anymore so this cannot be verified but there were plenty of people speaking positively about him. This was an analysis of why Trump was being given a second chance. Not a character assassination. That his claim of the election being stolen and the various charges he had faced were also there was to point up the contradictions.

That was the meaning. Not one tiny piece making just one of many points.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

It just didn’t.

I remember the programme. Unfortunately it’s no longer available anymore so this cannot be verified but there were plenty of people speaking positively about him. This was an analysis of why Trump was being given a second chance. Not a character assassination. That his claim of the election being stolen and the various charges he had faced were also there was to point up the contradictions.

That was the meaning. Not one tiny piece making just one of many points.

All this would have a bit more credence if you had ever, once, said anything that Trump had said or done wasn't worthy of criticism.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

😀

While I tend to agree with you that the morality of what Trump is doing is very dodgy what I find wholly ridiculous is this childish notion about 'international law'.....it's like someone has listened to the Lib Dems and somehow thinks that 'international law' is some independent working framework.

Errr no.....The POTUS gets to do pretty much what the feck he wants, as does the head of China.

The only way these guys will ever suffer any consequence from 'international law', would be if they were captured by an enemy presumably during a war......which isn't going to happen.....Not least because the US has nukes....as does China, as does Russia.

'International law' in the real world is only enforced by the powerful and they ignore what they aren't interested in.....You literally had a former terrorist who fought against the west in the White House welcomed by both the GOP and the Democrats as the head of Syria.

'International law'......don't make me laugh.

That Trump will not suffer any consequences isn’t the point!

If the western world seeks to promote democracy and the rule of law as the moral and responsible way to organise your society then its leading country ought to be the shining example on the hill. One that’s beyond criticism.

They can still do the dirty things that are necessary in an imperfect world, but quietly, under the radar and away from the media. Not splashed triumphantly.

Setting ourselves above both China and Russia in matters like this is essential. We should lead the way. Not join the race to the bottom.

It’s the same with all of Trump’s “America First” approach. Abrogating responsibility and leadership of our standards is reprehensible. From Trump’s denial of climate change to the sinking of boats in international waters he is a menace.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

All this would have a bit more credence if you had ever, once, said anything that Trump had said or done wasn't worthy of criticism.

The problem with that is, of course, it’s very hard to find one. The man is evil. Evil men don’t do good things. Perhaps he loved his Mum, but even that seems doubtful.

I am prepared though to consider anything you think deserves praise.

Please though don’t suggest any of his claims about “stopping wars” etc, for they are nothing of the sort.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

The problem with that is, of course, it’s very hard to find one. The man is evil. Evil men don’t do good things. Perhaps he loved his Mum, but even that seems doubtful.

I am prepared though to consider anything you think deserves praise.

Please though don’t suggest any of his claims about “stopping wars” etc, for they are nothing of the sort.

That's a very objective point of view.

 

[Spiderman]

The problem with that is, of course, it’s very hard to find one. The man is evil. Evil men don’t do good things. Perhaps he loved his Mum, but even that seems doubtful.

I am prepared though to consider anything you think deserves praise.

Please though don’t suggest any of his claims about “stopping wars” etc, for they are nothing of the sort.

The amount of employment he has put into parts of Scotland? Why is it doubtful he loved his mum? Had you been a house guest? Strange comment. Your first paragraph basically backs up what Teddy said

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

The amount of employment he has put into parts of Scotland? Why is it doubtful he loved his mum? Had you been a house guest? Strange comment. Your first paragraph basically backs up what Teddy said

Why do you think he “invested” in Scotland? To make money? As a nod to his heritage? Or because he suddenly changed character and became altruistic?

Trump doesn’t do things for other people. Everything he does is about him. Sometimes those things will have positive consequences for others as side effects but aren’t the motivation.

Trump doesn’t appear to have any genuine love in him, other than for himself. He talks it, but doesn’t walk it. His personality deficits are very obvious. All I have ever read about his early life suggests he was very distant from his mother. Who knows though?

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/03/mary-macleod-trump-donald-trump-mother-biography-mom-immigrant-scotland-215779/

 

[cryrst]

Why do you think he “invested” in Scotland? To make money? As a nod to his heritage? Or because he suddenly changed character and became altruistic?

Trump doesn’t do things for other people. Everything he does is about him. Sometimes those things will have positive consequences for others as side effects but aren’t the motivation.

Trump doesn’t appear to have any genuine love in him, other than for himself. He talks it, but doesn’t walk it. His personality deficits are very obvious. All I have ever read about his early life suggests he was very distant from his mother. Who knows though?

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/03/mary-macleod-trump-donald-trump-mother-biography-mom-immigrant-scotland-215779/

Yes narcissistic tendencies wissie. Does that ring a bell 🔔

 

[Spiderman]

Why do you think he “invested” in Scotland? To make money? As a nod to his heritage? Or because he suddenly changed character and became altruistic?

Trump doesn’t do things for other people. Everything he does is about him. Sometimes those things will have positive consequences for others as side effects but aren’t the motivation.

Trump doesn’t appear to have any genuine love in him, other than for himself. He talks it, but doesn’t walk it. His personality deficits are very obvious. All I have ever read about his early life suggests he was very distant from his mother. Who knows though?

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/03/mary-macleod-trump-donald-trump-mother-biography-mom-immigrant-scotland-215779/

There we go, I quoted a good point but straight away you dismissed it, nothing to to do with your hatred of Trump. Quite a character assassination from someone who has never met the man and who doesn’t appear to know much about his background, apart from what you have read

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Yes narcissistic tendencies wissie. Does that ring a bell 🔔

Involving Trump? The bell never stops chiming!

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

There we go, I quoted a good point but straight away you dismissed it, nothing to to do with your hatred of Trump. Quite a character assassination from someone who has never met the man and who doesn’t appear to know much about his background, apart from what you have read

That you think it’s a “good point” doesn’t make it one. As I explained in my reply.

Of all the people in the world Trump is the one who you really don’t need to meet to reach an informed opinion. He is on our screens daily, demonstrating his character, telling obvious lies and changing positions to suit the mood. We know much more about Trump than we do about some of our closest friends. Whether what is recorded to be his background is all true who knows, but quotes from childhood friends seem authentic. His background though is not important. It’s the now that is.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

That you think it’s a “good point” doesn’t make it one. As I explained in my reply.

Of all the people in the world Trump is the one who you really don’t need to meet to reach an informed opinion. He is on our screens daily, demonstrating his character, telling obvious lies and changing positions to suit the mood. We know much more about Trump than we do about some of our closest friends. Whether what is recorded to be his background is all true who knows, but quotes from childhood friends seem authentic. His background though is not important. It’s the now that is.

The now in which he's a billionaire and two-time President of America.

 

[Stirlingsays]

That you think it’s a “good point” doesn’t make it one. As I explained in my reply.

Of all the people in the world Trump is the one who you really don’t need to meet to reach an informed opinion. He is on our screens daily, demonstrating his character, telling obvious lies and changing positions to suit the mood. We know much more about Trump than we do about some of our closest friends. Whether what is recorded to be his background is all true who knows, but quotes from childhood friends seem authentic. His background though is not important. It’s the now that is.

Well, that's the fault of people like you.

You get what you deserve.

You could have moved on in 2020, but you could never shut up about Trump....I would have liked someone different myself....But instead you had to go and try and put him behind bars (which you eagerly supported along with a distinctly shoulder shrug about assassination attempts) and create huge media with the obvious nuttery of it. You pulled the weight of everyone who doesn't like your politics towards Trump.

If your intellect had the ability to control your emotions...and that's not just you but nearly all of the Democratic left, then you would have known when to shut up and move on.....but you can't, like the typical leftist you are.....you have to bet it all on red.

And then blame others when it lands on black.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

The now in which he's a billionaire and two-time President of America.

Something about which many movies will be made examining how something like that is possible in the USA. It’s a phenomenon that many find both disturbing and puzzling.

In fact those movies, or at least short format ones, are already available. If you go to YouTube and search for Trump you will find them. There are some, from the White House, Trump himself, Fox and Newsmax which are sympathetic but they are heavily outweighed by the critical. Some extremely so. So expressing great concern.

Some here think I am out of line with my view of Trump. I disagree. I think I am very typical of the average person.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Well, that's the fault of people like you.

You get what you deserve.

You could have moved on in 2020, but you could never shut up about Trump....I would have liked someone different myself....But instead you had to go and try and put him behind bars (which you eagerly supported along with a distinctly shoulder shrug about assassination attempts) and create huge media with the obvious nuttery of it. You pulled the weight of everyone who doesn't like your politics towards Trump.

If your intellect had the ability to control your emotions...and that's not just you but nearly all of the Democratic left, then you would have known when to shut up and move on.....but you can't, like the typical leftist you are.....you have to bet it all on red.

And then blame others when it lands on black.

That had nothing to do with me, or indeed anyone at all other than Trump himself.

No one is, or ought to be, above the law. Those who break it must face it. We must not allow political considerations to interfere. If that enrages those who support the law breakers to the point that they manage to avoid the consequences and get re-elected that’s the price that truth and democracy must pay to preserve itself.

It’s only a temporary price. A delay for the forces of good over evil. Justice will triumph in the end. It just requires patience and the determined effort of good men and women.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Something about which many movies will be made examining how something like that is possible in the USA. It’s a phenomenon that many find both disturbing and puzzling.

In fact those movies, or at least short format ones, are already available. If you go to YouTube and search for Trump you will find them. There are some, from the White House, Trump himself, Fox and Newsmax which are sympathetic but they are heavily outweighed by the critical. Some extremely so. So expressing great concern.

Some here think I am out of line with my view of Trump. I disagree. I think I am very typical of the average person.

Not typical of the average American voters who elected him. Twice.

 

[FrankieD108]

Well, that's the fault of people like you.

You get what you deserve.

You could have moved on in 2020, but you could never shut up about Trump....I would have liked someone different myself....But instead you had to go and try and put him behind bars (which you eagerly supported along with a distinctly shoulder shrug about assassination attempts) and create huge media with the obvious nuttery of it. You pulled the weight of everyone who doesn't like your politics towards Trump.

If your intellect had the ability to control your emotions...and that's not just you but nearly all of the Democratic left, then you would have known when to shut up and move on.....but you can't, like the typical leftist you are.....you have to bet it all on red.

And then blame others when it lands on black.

As an American, I can attest to this. If the liberals/Democrats/Media had just stopped whining, moaning and often lying about Trump, he would not have been re-elected. The majority of Americans elected him, but I am convinced the swing vote came from people who (a) got sick of the unfair media treatment of Trump or (b) grew weary of the extremists that hijacked the Democrat Party with the emphasis on pronouns, transgender issues etc instead of meaningful things like the economy and border control.

Ironically, those shouting the loudest of the evils of Trumpo are giving the narcissist just wants he wants ... and needs.

I don't if sharing this link will work, but this is a great (humorous) video called "Stop Making Me Defend Trump"

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Not typical of the average American voters who elected him. Twice.

As they are made for them and Trump’s ratings are well under water it seems the “average American voter” might now be a little different!

 

[Teddy Eagle]

As they are made for them and Trump’s ratings are well under water it seems the “average American voter” might now be a little different!

They may, just as many here may, but that's how elections work isn't it?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

As an American, I can attest to this. If the liberals/Democrats/Media had just stopped whining, moaning and often lying about Trump, he would not have been re-elected. The majority of Americans elected him, but I am convinced the swing vote came from people who (a) got sick of the unfair media treatment of Trump or (b) grew weary of the extremists that hijacked the Democrat Party with the emphasis on pronouns, transgender issues etc instead of meaningful things like the economy and border control.

Ironically, those shouting the loudest of the evils of Trumpo are giving the narcissist just wants he wants ... and needs.

I don't if sharing this link will work, but this is a great (humorous) video called "Stop Making Me Defend Trump"

I don’t doubt that this was how enough people in the USA thought to change the direction of the election.

It’s confirmation of the wretched state of US politics and their desperate need to restore it to something like democracy.

Putting Trump on trial was not unfair. It was a duty, whatever the circumstances. He was convicted of one and escaped others.

I see no extremists running the Democratic Party. I see a few on the fringe a little more socialist than others making noises. Which is unusual in the US but not running the Party.

Trying to promote equality and fairness is a bad thing? What a poor state of affairs we have reached if that’s true.

If Trump represents all that’s wrong in US politics, and it’s difficult to imagine anything worse with his corruption and retribution, then hopefully it will be the kick up the ar*e they need to make things better.