US Politics

Wisbech Eagle said:
More nonsense.

The right wing press can criticise anything they like for legitimate reasons. What I am suggesting is that on many occasions they aren’t. They are doing so for political reasons.
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No it isn't. It's just a way of trying to stop any criticism by throwing out baseless accusations.
You criticise several media outlets does that put you on any "wing"?
 
Just for those who are interested over this Epstein files vote and coming release.

It's just for unclassified files.......Nothing classified will be released from it.

Obviously most of the sensitive stuff on Epstein won't be in there.

Expect most of the explosive and damaging stuff about Epstein to have been destroyed (probably long ago).

Rotten to the core.

They are scared about Epstein because the truth about him reveals the actual truth about how some deals (in politically incorrect countries) are made by 'facilitators' for intel agencies on behalf of governments and it's dark.....bribery, sexual blackmail, and of course trafficked and underaged girls used to juice deals, honeypots, the lot.
 
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Wisbech Eagle said:
So someone has some fun posing stupid questions to unprepared people. Anyone can do that kind of stuff. Taking the p*ss isn’t clever and proves nothing.

The point about Trump’s MAGA base is that you don’t need to do it. They ask themselves stupid questions and deliver stupid answers all on their own.

The contrast between the average normal Democrat and the average weird Trump MAGA is stark.

Not, you will note between them and the normal average Republican, for they aren’t the same as the MAGA bunch. They just have no other place to go unless they cross the tribal line, which some might yet do. Especially if they are female and concerned about the restrictions being put on their freedoms. Trump has a lower approval rating than the % prepared to vote for him. It’s going to make a difference.

I forecasted Biden would withdraw. It seems to me to be a carefully crafted plan to keep Trump away from ruining the USA.

I think it’s working and beyond something unexpected happening, which is always possible, Harris will win. I also think there is a bombshell secret waiting in the wings, ready to be dropped just a week or two before the peek of postal voting, that will cause even the most diehard Republican to question the wisdom of putting Trump back in the WH. I suspect something Mueller discovered will find its way into the public conscious.

What then happens to Trump is uncertain. He could end up in jail, but as that risks serious unrest maybe a way will be found to avoid it, provided he agrees to withdraw from public life.

All theories of course, but this is what my political antenna is suggesting.
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I think Trump will land up in a scottish pub talking ballot boxes to Andrew formerly prince about their old mucka Epstein and the parties he threw.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
No it isn't. It's just a way of trying to stop any criticism by throwing out baseless accusations.
You criticise several media outlets does that put you on any "wing"?
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When outlets like GBNews are openly biased, the Telegraph is in limbo but very likely to end up in the same hands of Sir Paul Marshall and his similarly ideologically motivated friends and the Mail is owned by Harmsworth, it’s very far from baseless accusations. These people are on a mission. Whose destination isn’t somewhere I want to be and, I suspect, many don’t either want or even realise is their intention.

I am not on any wing! I am firmly in the middle. I no more want far left socialism in our country than the far right in control. I want a social democracy that rewards enterprise but protects the vulnerable. One that encourages both wealth creation and wealth sharing.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
When outlets like GBNews are openly biased, the Telegraph is in limbo but very likely to end up in the same hands of Sir Paul Marshall and his similarly ideologically motivated friends and the Mail is owned by Harmsworth, it’s very far from baseless accusations. These people are on a mission. Whose destination isn’t somewhere I want to be and, I suspect, many don’t either want or even realise is their intention.

I am not on any wing! I am firmly in the middle. I no more want far left socialism in our country than the far right in control. I want a social democracy that rewards enterprise but protects the vulnerable. One that encourages both wealth creation and wealth sharing.
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OK, let's look at the Top 10 of your critical targets. Is there any connection?
1. Trump
2. Tommy Robinson
3. Brexit
4. Nigel Farage
5. Reform
6. The Daily Mail
7. The Telegraph
8. The Daily Express
9. Anyone complaints about the BBC
10. Boris Johnson
 
Spiderman said:
And the left wing press never do?
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Is there a left wing press of any real influence these days? The Guardian is not widely read now with a circulation of only around 100,000, down from 250,000 in 10 years. The Mirror once sold 5 million copies daily but now only 200,000. The Mail alone sells 800,000.

There is no left wing broadcaster. The only politically biased broadcaster is GBNews.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
OK, let's look at the Top 10 of your critical targets. Is there any connection?
1. Trump
2. Tommy Robinson
3. Brexit
4. Nigel Farage
5. Reform
6. The Daily Mail
7. The Telegraph
8. The Daily Express
9. Anyone complaints about the BBC
10. Boris Johnson
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Of course there is. With all but one.

They all pander to popular sentiment without due regard for the national interest. They might be driven by a variety of motives but the result is the same.

People complain about the BBC for wider reasons.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Of course there is. With all but one.

They all pander to popular sentiment without due regard for the national interest. They might be driven by a variety of motives but the result is the same.

People complain about the BBC for wider reasons.
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For a self proclaimed centrist it's quite a heavily weighted list.
The BBC don't pander to popular sentiment? Must be why EastEnders is on every Christmas night.
 
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Stirlingsays said:
Just for those who are interested over this Epstein files vote and coming release.

It's just for unclassified files.......Nothing classified will be released from it.

Obviously most of the sensitive stuff on Epstein won't be in there.

Expect most of the explosive and damaging stuff about Epstein to have been destroyed (probably long ago).

Rotten to the core.

They are scared about Epstein because the truth about him reveals the actual truth about how some deals (in politically incorrect countries) are made by 'facilitators' for intel agencies on behalf of governments and it's dark.....bribery, sexual blackmail, and of course trafficked and underaged girls used to juice deals, honeypots, the lot.
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That and prominent and very rich backers of both parties might get the odd mention.
 
Probably the most explosive revelation so far is an email to Epstein from his brother saying does he think Putin has photos of Trump blowing Clinton (using his famous nickname).......Probably a joke.

But hey.

If Trump was outed as bisexual that would destroy him on the right.....presenting yourself as a tough, gruff Alf Garnet figure for years with an eye for the ladies but then being revealed as also a human sausage enjoyer.......that wouldn't go down well....if you excuse the pun.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
She was awful. Really really awful. Worse than anything in my living memory, and that’s saying a lot.

Her opening remarks were fawning, knee bending garbage. She never asked a difficult question. Never challenged an obvious lie. Told at least one lie herself.

She was a total disgrace to journalism and to our country.
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'Disgrace to OUR country'

Why not just broadcast that you copy and paste plagiarised comments on here.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Probably the most explosive revelation so far is an email to Epstein from his brother saying does he think Putin has photos of Trump blowing Clinton (using his famous nickname).......Probably a joke.

But hey.

If Trump was outed as bisexual that would destroy him on the right.....presenting yourself as a tough, gruff Alf Garnet figure for years with an eye for the ladies but then being revealed as also a human sausage enjoyer.......that wouldn't go down well....if you excuse the pun.
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I am not so sure. Maybe 30 years ago.

There are prominent and popular conservative thinkers who are openly gay - Andrew Sullivan, Dave Rubin, and Douglas Murray.

Trump might lose a few votes from the religious right, but he might even gain some votes from the centre ground.
 
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