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McAhuna said:
Was Kirk pro-Israel?

I know he was originally, but more recently he had started to shift.

There was a video of him questioning the events of 7/10/13, whether Israeli security 'allowed' it to happen to enable wider geo-political goals.
He noted that Hamas easily penetrated the most well defended border in the world, questioning whether there was an order to 'stand down' and asked why it took 6 hours + to respond.

I imagine these questions went down like 'a sack of s*** on the doorstep' in Israeli circles.
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I'd say there's a lot to that....He was shifting.

How much he had or would have we will never know.
 
silvertop said:
$3.8 billion a year in federal funding of Israel is loose change to the USA. Unless there are more hidden donations that come out of the US taxpayer's pocket (e.g. subsidized military hardware, intelligence sharing, US satellite imaging etc.)?

Or is this pure non-interventionism: it's over there so nothing to do with us. I get that, in a way. Why pull out of Afghanistan and pull back on Ukraine but devote huge State Dept resources to protecting one small country thousands of miles away?

Or perhaps it is a thought that siding 100% with one could alienate other important trading states in the region like the Saudis?

Or a combination of the above?
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I think it's all in there and most of the public don't have any idea what's behind the curtain.....just like that old 1939 movie.

Wall Street.....Finance......It's the old story.

Filtered access to top positions by loyalty.....Donor support linked to policies, intel blackmail if they can get it to ensure that same support.

Politicians are important but they are also part puppets for money....buy-able almost in the way the Mafia bribed a hundred years ago.

Money bribes those without much money (unless they are stridently ideological) Whereas, blackmail and establishment advantages reward those with money.....Epstein's honeypot operations being just one of several that have operated on and off for decades....He was just ostentatious and flew too close publicly.

Friend/enemy distinction......Classic elite theory.
 
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Stirlingsays said:
I think it's all in there and most of the public don't have any idea what's behind the curtain.....just like that old 1939 movie.

Wall Street.....Finance......It's the old story.

Filtered access to top positions by loyalty.....Donor support linked to policies, intel blackmail if they can get it to ensure that same support.

Politicians are important but they area also part puppets for money....buy-able almost in the way the Mafia bribed a hundred years ago.

Money bribes those without much money (unless they are stridently ideological) Whereas, blackmail and establishment advantages reward those with money.....Epstein's honeypot operations being just one of several that have operated for decades....He was just ostentatious and flew too close publicly.

Friend/enemy distinction......Classic elite theory.
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All true. But what's funny is that 20 or 30 years ago you would be labelled as a leftist subversive for saying that about Wall Street. Maybe even 10 years ago.

When they realised that wasn't working they shifted the goalposts and label such views 'far-right' instead. They feel that is a more effective smear and one which mobilises the brain-dead sheep more readily.
Now people like Russell Brand, Oliver Stone and George Galloway find themselves thrown into the 'far-right' camp. Hilarious if it wasn't so transparent and ridiculous.
 
McAhuna said:
Was Kirk pro-Israel?

I know he was originally, but more recently he had started to shift.

There was a video of him questioning the events of 7/10/13, whether Israeli security 'allowed' it to happen to enable wider geo-political goals.
He noted that Hamas easily penetrated the most well defended border in the world, questioning whether there was an order to 'stand down' and asked why it took 6 hours + to respond.

I imagine these questions went down like 'a sack of s*** on the doorstep' in Israeli circles.
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I think we all asked that question.

But really. Even if true, it hardly lets Hamas off the hook. It's like saying you are to blame for being burgled because you left your door open.
What it did demonstrate was that Hamas were chafing at the bit to kill as many Jews as possible and take hostages for good measure.
 
McAhuna said:
Now people like Russell Brand, Oliver Stone and George Galloway find themselves thrown into the 'far-right' camp. Hilarious if it wasn't so transparent and ridiculous.
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true. Russell Brand seemed to go from hard Liberal to hard Right in a heartbeat. And then the media started to nail him on all the historic sex-scandals.

Be right wing, get nailed in a sex-scandal. Donald Trump, Conor McGregor, whoever. Be an insider ? no scandals.....Jimmy Savile, and lots of Ex Presidents.
 
PalazioVecchio said:
true. Russell Brand seemed to go from hard Liberal to hard Right in a heartbeat. And then the media started to nail him on all the historic sex-scandals.

Be right wing, get nailed in a sex-scandal. Donald Trump, Conor McGregor, whoever. Be an insider ? no scandals.....Jimmy Savile, and lots of Ex Presidents.
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Yep, you nailed it.

See also Assange. Originally a darling of the left, until the revelations start coming out.

Then suddenly he's a far-right, pro-Russian, sex offender.
 
The new white house GB news correspondant came across really well. I watched her in the karoline leavitt press conference a few days ago and half way through the interview with Trump.

Refreshing to have a decent news reporter these days.
 
eaglesdare said:
The new white house GB news correspondant came across really well. I watched her in the karoline leavitt press conference a few days ago and half way through the interview with Trump.

Refreshing to have a decent news reporter these days.
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She was awful. Really really awful. Worse than anything in my living memory, and that’s saying a lot.

Her opening remarks were fawning, knee bending garbage. She never asked a difficult question. Never challenged an obvious lie. Told at least one lie herself.

She was a total disgrace to journalism and to our country.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
She was awful. Really really awful. Worse than anything in my living memory, and that’s saying a lot.

Her opening remarks were fawning, knee bending garbage. She never asked a difficult question. Never challenged an obvious lie. Told at least one lie herself.

She was a total disgrace to journalism and to our country.
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Time for your chill pills. These are the most ridiculous, petty comments. A total disgrace to our country! Ffs but our national broadcaster who doctored a speech by the POTUS are not!,
What lie did she tell?
 
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Spiderman said:
Time for your chill pills. These are the most ridiculous, petty comments. A total disgrace to our country! Ffs but our national broadcaster who doctored a speech by the POTUS are not!,
What lie did she tell?
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For a start she didn't play the music from The Omen and they edited out his horns and tail and the hour he spent propositioning her.
 
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