Anyone thinking we are playing too many games?

Elwissthebest said:
This is very well reasoned. I didn't think it was worthwhile to start a new thread, so apologies for parking this one here, but reading this made me wonder who the fringe players are. Take the back line: Canvot, fine. Clyne? What's the point? He's hardly one for the future, is he? Spent his best years playing for other clubs, although I remember seeing him score a blinder in a 2-4 win one evening against Reading before he left for pastures richer. Well, we did need the money at the time.
Then who? Time to look to the U.21 and U. 18. While we're on that subject, can anyone tell me what is the point of having an U.21 team? Take the team that, despite the fabulously thorough and optimistic report on the Palace website, lost 0-2 at 'home' to pretty well bottom of the table Newcastle last night. Does anyone think a single member of that team will do a Mitchell and actually end up in the Premiership first team? Given the manager's preference for playing the same eleven in every match, the point of the U.21 is even more obscure. Marsh might make it one day in League 2. The rest knows it's National League South at best. There's more talent in the U.18, but, essentially, same problem. These players are being coached by a former Atletico Madrid player and very good it was looking too. Until 4-O to Brighton and four of our players sent off. As none of these is going to figure for a Glasner team, what's the point? It's not as if we can do a Chelsea and sell a player who has never started a first team game. For £20m. (Guehi)! It's Rob Street to Cheltenham for about what it cost to produce him...
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The short answer is that as a member of the Premier League we are obliged to have an Academy hence why we spent what we did on upgrading facilities to be category A (thanks to Textor - and no, I'm not a fan of his).

The better Academy players are currently out on loan with Ozoh more than holding his own at Championship side Derby and JRS banging them in in the Turkish Super Lig (shades of Sorloth?). Others are getting good exposure at League 1 clubs. IMO, the only one who might make our 1st team squad is Ozoh. I expect JRS to be sold for an eight figure sum of around £10m-12m, which will be useful funds for the coffers if it happens.

Cardines (and Kporha when fit) are already part of the 1st team squad, so I assume Glasner sees something in them worthy of that.

It isn't just about the current youngsters playing regularly for the U21s and U18s.
 
Elwissthebest said:
This is very well reasoned. I didn't think it was worthwhile to start a new thread, so apologies for parking this one here, but reading this made me wonder who the fringe players are. Take the back line: Canvot, fine. Clyne? What's the point? He's hardly one for the future, is he? Spent his best years playing for other clubs, although I remember seeing him score a blinder in a 2-4 win one evening against Reading before he left for pastures richer. Well, we did need the money at the time.
Then who? Time to look to the U.21 and U. 18. While we're on that subject, can anyone tell me what is the point of having an U.21 team? Take the team that, despite the fabulously thorough and optimistic report on the Palace website, lost 0-2 at 'home' to pretty well bottom of the table Newcastle last night. Does anyone think a single member of that team will do a Mitchell and actually end up in the Premiership first team? Given the manager's preference for playing the same eleven in every match, the point of the U.21 is even more obscure. Marsh might make it one day in League 2. The rest knows it's National League South at best. There's more talent in the U.18, but, essentially, same problem. These players are being coached by a former Atletico Madrid player and very good it was looking too. Until 4-O to Brighton and four of our players sent off. As none of these is going to figure for a Glasner team, what's the point? It's not as if we can do a Chelsea and sell a player who has never started a first team game. For £20m. (Guehi)! It's Rob Street to Cheltenham for about what it cost to produce him...
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The point is that every 3 or 4 years you find a player. TM, AWB, Wilf, Moses etc etc.

You just need to let go of the idea that we'll find one every season. Or that the best player in each of those year groups will make it. Most of them wont even end up as pro footballers. Its the main reason Brentford disbanded their academy (which ironically is why we got TM), but were made to reinstate it.
 
doombear said:
The short answer is that as a member of the Premier League we are obliged to have an Academy hence why we spent what we did on upgrading facilities to be category A (thanks to Textor - and no, I'm not a fan of his).

The better Academy players are currently out on loan with Ozoh more than holding his own at Championship side Derby and JRS banging them in in the Turkish Super Lig (shades of Sorloth?). Others are getting good exposure at League 1 clubs. IMO, the only one who might make our 1st team squad is Ozoh. I expect JRS to be sold for an eight figure sum of around £10m-12m, which will be useful funds for the coffers if it happens.

Cardines (and Kporha when fit) are already part of the 1st team squad, so I assume Glasner sees something in them worthy of that.

It isn't just about the current youngsters playing regularly for the U21s and U18s.
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TL;DR

What's the long answer? 😆
 
We face playing 4 games in 8 days in December including Arsenal in the cup.
I think this may be after Sarr and Uche depart for AFCON, but I'm not 100% sure.

It looks stretching and Glasner may be reluctantly forced to rotate more than usual.
 
Too many reports now for it to not be 4 games in 8 days. Which is ridiculous.

The QF should be played instead of the Leeds game at the weekend. We'll play Leeds later in the season and Arsenal play their PL game when we play Kups. But that's seemingly too logical.

The Larnaca defeat is really painful now. We should have been qualified before Kups so could have totally rested the first 11. Instead there is every chance we need something from it.
 
ambrose7 said:
Too many reports now for it to not be 4 games in 8 days. Which is ridiculous.

The QF should be played instead of the Leeds game at the weekend. We'll play Leeds later in the season and Arsenal play their PL game when we play Kups. But that's seemingly too logical.

The Larnaca defeat is really painful now. We should have been qualified before Kups so could have totally rested the first 11. Instead there is every chance we need something from it.
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Thats the part that annoyed me most. Get wins in the first 3 games and we can kick back and relax, when the fixtures pile up.
 
PatrickA said:
We face playing 4 games in 8 days in December including Arsenal in the cup.
I think this may be after Sarr and Uche depart for AFCON, but I'm not 100% sure.

It looks stretching and Glasner may be reluctantly forced to rotate more than usual.
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Good point re Sarr and Uche. Need to hope we are lucky with injuries 😬
 
Assuming no player can start both games, the AFCONs (Sarr, Uche, Riad) are gone and Doucoure is still injured:

Team A
Henderson

Richards Lacroix Guehi

Munoz Wharton Kamada Mitchell

Esse Pino

Mateta​

Team B

Benitez

Clyne Canvot Lerma

Cardines Hughes Rodney Sosa

Ahamada Devenny

Nketiah (if fit)​

And that's with no injuries.

If we don't need anything from the KuPs game, I'd be fine to start team B in that game. If we do need something from KuPs, then that has to be the priority and it's hard to see us being able to put out any team that would trouble Arsenal B even if a few of Team A were filtered in.

It feels like very foreseeable scheduling (Conference League and Carabao Cup in the same week) has robbed us of a shot at winning the Carabao.
 
The Premier League also must move our Leeds game to Monday night from Sunday at an absolute minimum.

It's crap for the fans but it increases our rest time before Leeds by 50%. If it saves a single hamstring it's worth it.
 
DANGERCLOSE said:
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December looks mad
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I think we'll be seeing a lot more of Devenny, Lerma, Sosa, Canvot and possibly even Clyne and Esse in December.

They'll do a job I'm sure, but without being unfair or negative, they are unlikely to be as good as the players they are replacing.

I'm going to do a Willo and forecast some lesser results than would have been achievable with the players they are replacing.

It's not a criticism- we don't have Arsenal'a or Manchester City's resources - but it's more of an observation .
Furthermore, we may see a youngster demonstrating that are worthy of retaining a place.
 
ambrose7 said:
Assuming no player can start both games, the AFCONs (Sarr, Uche, Riad) are gone and Doucoure is still injured:

Team A
Henderson

Richards Lacroix Guehi

Munoz Wharton Kamada Mitchell

Esse Pino

Mateta​

Team B

Benitez

Clyne Canvot Lerma

Cardines Hughes Rodney Sosa

Ahamada Devenny

Nketiah (if fit)​

And that's with no injuries.

If we don't need anything from the KuPs game, I'd be fine to start team B in that game. If we do need something from KuPs, then that has to be the priority and it's hard to see us being able to put out any team that would trouble Arsenal B even if a few of Team A were filtered in.

It feels like very foreseeable scheduling (Conference League and Carabao Cup in the same week) has robbed us of a shot at winning the Carabao.
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Unlikely Riad will play in th AFcon. He would have barely any football under his belt in 2 years so can’t see why he would be picked given Morocco has a good pool to pick from. Doesn’t particularly help us but hopefully one extra body !!
 
doombear said:
The short answer is that as a member of the Premier League we are obliged to have an Academy hence why we spent what we did on upgrading facilities to be category A (thanks to Textor - and no, I'm not a fan of his).

The better Academy players are currently out on loan with Ozoh more than holding his own at Championship side Derby and JRS banging them in in the Turkish Super Lig (shades of Sorloth?). Others are getting good exposure at League 1 clubs. IMO, the only one who might make our 1st team squad is Ozoh. I expect JRS to be sold for an eight figure sum of around £10m-12m, which will be useful funds for the coffers if it happens.

Cardines (and Kporha when fit) are already part of the 1st team squad, so I assume Glasner sees something in them worthy of that.

It isn't just about the current youngsters playing regularly for the U21s and U18s.
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If we get £12m for Rak Sakyi I will eat my hat!
 
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