Reform

Those of us who have been around for a few years knew that Labour would be s**t. Nonetheless they were a bright new toy for many voters. I suspect that Reform will be that new toy next time.
 
silvertop said:
All correct. The Tories have had to reinvent and morph many times during their long history. If there was only one party that could achieve that it is them. Thus, who now sees the parliamentary Tory Party as Remain?

Their problem is 3 fold.

Their abysmal 14 years in power (especially the last 5) has not and will not have been forgotten e.g. Labour rehash their failures every time any of their members speak.

Reform will split their vote to the detriment of both parties.

Many traditional Tory voters are not ready for a black woman as leader. That is not my view. It is how I perceive their view. Voters across the Western world may consider themselves to be progressive but they still put their cross beside the white "experienced" male. Reform's totems are Farage and Tice.
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I don't know about that, but we now live in a country where White people seemingly can't talk about race issues publically. That is why the likes of Badenoch, Braverman and Yusuf are outspoken on the subject. They aren't subjected to the same scrutiny.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
I don't know about that, but we now live in a country where White people seemingly can't talk about race issues publically. That is why the likes of Badenoch, Braverman and Yusuf are outspoken on the subject. They aren't subjected to the same scrutiny.
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It's an interesting point and no doubt Farage will be fascist/ racist the whole time whilst mooting the same policies the government talks about - but doesn't do as its footsoldiers won't let it. And they've plenty of time on their hands to keep the party in line.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
I don't know about that, but we now live in a country where White people seemingly can't talk about race issues publically. That is why the likes of Badenoch, Braverman and Yusuf are outspoken on the subject. They aren't subjected to the same scrutiny.
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I can assure you that outside of HOL I make my views known honestly and forcibly.
There are those who roll their eyes and declare that I have out-moded attitudes and use language of yesteryear and such assertions are often met with a response using a word equivalent to 'Testicles'.
My opinions ping off parapets akin to bullets from a Bren and in the main are not met with universal approbation. I have been labelled in pejorative well-known terms !
I believe in free speech and will not be silenced by left-wing woke attitudes.
 
Willo said:
I can assure you that outside of HOL I make my views known honestly and forcibly.
There are those who roll their eyes and declare that I have out-moded attitudes and use language of yesteryear and such assertions are often met with a response using a word equivalent to 'Testicles'.
My opinions ping off parapets akin to bullets from a Bren and in the main are not met with universal approbation.
I believe in free speech and will not be silenced by left-wing woke attitudes.
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Nonetheless, it is always easier for a politician to criticise their own race or even another if they aren't White.
There is a deluded school of thought that thinks that only White people can be racist.

It is just another tactic to silence the majority.
 
Willo said:
Conference, which I am attending, offers our first opportunity, together and in person, to take stock and to map the road ahead. It is a chance to recommit ourselves, to our Party, to our country, and to the British people who are already disappointed and disgusted with Labour.
The electorate is not ready to trust us quite yet, we have to earn that trust, but Conference provides an opportunity to demonstrate that we are a party that only promises what it can deliver, that sets realistic and sensible goals and whose policies stem from a fundamental set of long-held principles NOT a plethora of hastily assembled knee-jerk reactions and outlandish pledges.
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After the Tories dismal effort in power last time, the General Public wanted a change only to find out labour are worse, no surprise there.
Politics is becoming more personality based unfortunately and there is nobody in the Tory party of any interest or anything interesting to say, therefore gets no media coverage.
Farage is box office for the media, his downside is that he is a disruptor and had no experience of being in power, its easy to throw stones from the outside. Labour and Tories have created a perfect platform for Reform to divide them.
 
Painter said:
After the Tories dismal effort in power last time, the General Public wanted a change only to find out labour are worse, no surprise there.
Politics is becoming more personality based unfortunately and there is nobody in the Tory party of any interest or anything interesting to say, therefore gets no media coverage.
Farage is box office for the media, his downside is that he is a disruptor and had no experience of being in power, its easy to throw stones from the outside. Labour and Tories have created a perfect platform for Reform to divide them.
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I didn't realise that they were together !
 
beak said:
I didn't realise that they were together !
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Their policies are broadly similar - just their friends are a little different. And half of them are the same. And when they're in power there's no discernable difference to the people. Just different nonsense spouting with little or no effect. Or negative effects for the people and country in general.
 
Willo said:
It was decided that the UK economy needed a shock to stimulate investment, and that shock would be a series of tax cuts.The £45 Billion of unfunded tax cuts was an issue.
It was a harsh experiment in economics.
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And you voted for her, as I recall?
A harsh experiment in voting.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
Nonetheless, it is always easier for a politician to criticise their own race or even another if they aren't White.
There is a deluded school of thought that thinks that only White people can be racist.

It is just another tactic to silence the majority.
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That’s untrue, anyone can be racist.

What is true is that Black people are more impacted by racism so more concerned about it. At least here.
 
So, the Tories are asking Liebore to cancel next years local elections, because, Reform will win . . .


lordspress.co.uk

Local elections may be cancelled for second year running as 'terrified' councils admit: 'We WILL get Reform' - Lord's Press

Council elections may be cancelled for more than five million Britons amid panic that Reform UK victories may grind Labour’s overhaul of local government to a halt. The Government is weighing up private requests from seven Conservative county council leaders to postpone next May’s elections...
lordspress.co.uk lordspress.co.uk
 
Eagleman13 said:
So, the Tories are asking Liebore to cancel next years local elections, because, Reform will win . . .


lordspress.co.uk

Local elections may be cancelled for second year running as 'terrified' councils admit: 'We WILL get Reform' - Lord's Press

Council elections may be cancelled for more than five million Britons amid panic that Reform UK victories may grind Labour’s overhaul of local government to a halt. The Government is weighing up private requests from seven Conservative county council leaders to postpone next May’s elections...
lordspress.co.uk lordspress.co.uk
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Shameful. How can this be allowed?
 
Willo said:

The narrative that Conservatives are 'Terrified' of Reform hence the call for a postponement is total and utter tommyrot.
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Well if the Conservatives aren't 'terrified' of Reform it wouldn't surprise me.

It would certainly explain why they have failed so badly.

Apparently new policy announcements were meant to appeal to Reform voters.

Sorry, but as far as I can tell blue rinsers are living on another planet almost as far away from reality as the Labour party. When we look at the Tory party they haven't gone anywhere near as far enough to change from the 'Cameron/Blairite' party to get any actual Reform voters back.

I've said it many a time on here, they just don't get it.....The time for all this was years and years ago, but they were very comfortable destroying Conservativism just as long as they were in power.

That's all they care about....power and their personal careers. They will turn on a dime once in power and have done it time and time again.

House price conservatives will always vote Conservative because it's the bubble they live in. They are mostly living nice insulated lives in nice areas (for the time being). Insulated away from the sh1te that Tories visited upon most of the working class Tories...plebs like me. It's what the tories from Cameron through to Sunak gave us as they ditched social conservativism for social liberalism in their modernism purges.

Reform....who you seem to dislike so much......Rose because Conservativism had been so badly betrayed and it's the working classes who will be the one's to vote it in, however imperfect it is.

If the Tories are lucky they will be the minor partner in a coalition.....that's the best I can see for them.

They will be lucky to get that as frankly they don't deserve it.
 
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