Next, you'll be telling us that Walesa was non-binary and that the Gdansk uprising's main aim was the legalisation of full-term abortions.
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Next, you'll be telling us that Walesa was non-binary and that the Gdansk uprising's main aim was the legalisation of full-term abortions.
I agree ....and I see the parallels you are making.you need not be a Leftie to be a true working-class hero. This bloke helped dismantle the tyrannical Soviet Union. A tyranny characterised by.....
- judiciary & cops out of control
- a Media awash with propaganda & lies
- a two tier society, with top jobs only for a certain class of citizen
- a politicised Education system
- Censorship
- the persecution of political dissidents
- a Uniparty. With no real choice at elections.
- Christianophobia, AntiChristianic, AntiChristianism at an institutional level
- constant attacks on the nuclear family by Daddy Government.
- pregnant women working digging the roads.
Lech Wałęsa - Wikipedia
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Loveless Letters | History Today
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It shows how tired and obsolete the old left/right paradigm rhetoric has become. Especially when people try to apply it across different decades and countries.
Tyranny is tyranny and freedom is freedom, whatever side they attach to.
The truth is that Che Guevara, Lech Walesa and all mainstream politicians pre-1990 would all be considered culturally conservative by most definitions in 2025. They would ALL look at modern woke politicians and consider them to be mentally ill. Especially the ones who struggle to explain what a woman is or who persecute children for waving for their own national flag.
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Whoa let me give you a comparison of sorts. Not as brutal but look at Hamas when the Arab spring put them in power. Said they would work alongside the incumbent and then quite quickly proceeded to kill them and took full control and killed and caused the deaths of many 1000s of civilians in more than one country. The way PA were progressing they would have mopped up all the little groups of anti westerners and created what would have been an uncontrollable monster. They have more form than just damaging aircraft and once our final defence of the services is affected it goes one way only.
That is why they are and will be designated as terrorists. All these plebs deserve to be punished because I do not want to be looking over my shoulder or my friends and family for the next attack. These lot are the propaganda PA want and they don’t care about them. The higher the roof the better for PA.
I am not sure where you are getting this information?
What is the insinuation that PA are killers, or potential killers based on? Because it's quite a serious allegation to be casually throwing around.
Whatever your source is, the British government doesn't seem privy to it.
Because the British government only banned Palestine Action as a proscribed terrorist organisation from July 2025, following the security breach at RAF Brize Norton and the vandalism of a plane.
Even the word 'vandalism' seems a stretch. They threw some paint around.
You say they have "more form than just damaging aircraft"
Well, there are other examples of them spraying paint around and organising sit-ins.
E.g. On 14 June 2021, the fourth anniversary of the Grenfell Tower fire, an occupation protest was staged at an Arconic factory in Kitts Green, Birmingham by three protestors. Arconic provided the cladding that allowed the rapid spread of fire across Grenfell Tower, and according to Palestine Action provide "materials for Israel's fighter jets.
Arconic sound like a delightful company who probably deserve more than a 'sit-in', but that's the worst that PA did.
Protesters? Yes
Activists? Yes
Vandals? At a stretch
Justified? A matter of opinion
Terrorists? No, and we diminish the real horror of that word by throwing it around so casually.
Before you rush to celebrate the harsh measures applied to PA, its wise to remember the same logic is being applied to groups you might have more sympathy with.
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Why on earth would I do that? I have little doubt the first is untrue and am absolutely certain the second is.
Walesa was a democrat and opponent of populism. He was hated by the right and mocked by the left for his conservative values.
We need to improve democracy, Lech Wałęsa says
Former Polish President and Nobel Peace Prize laureate, Lech Wałęsa, calls for systemic changes to safeguard democracy and avoid the rise of populist leaders. #TheEuropeConversation
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Difference being I accept it !
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I would like you to tell us if YOU would take off in an aircraft that had paint thrown into the engine intakes.
Tell us.
And that's without the consideration that it was military and they did it on secure military property.
How THICK are these people? They really were shocked it would be treated this way? They didn't even Google that the target aircraft had literally nothing to do with military support for Israel.
Really thick people
I don't think you understand what populism is.Why on earth would I do that? I have little doubt the first is untrue and am absolutely certain the second is.
Walesa was a democrat and opponent of populism. He was hated by the right and mocked by the left for his conservative values.
We need to improve democracy, Lech Wałęsa says
Former Polish President and Nobel Peace Prize laureate, Lech Wałęsa, calls for systemic changes to safeguard democracy and avoid the rise of populist leaders. #TheEuropeConversation
It didn't exist in the 1980s, and even if it had existed, the pro-Soviet Warsaw government was definitely not it.
Modern jet engines are designed to suck up entire flocks of birds and carry on working just fine.
Modern jets can even lose a whole engine and fly safely on just one.
Let's not pretend it was a serious attempt to down an aircraft, because it wasn't. It was a show-boating attempt to get media-attention. You can't down a modern aircraft with paint!
The RAF is not a south American footballer. They don't need to writhe around screaming in agony when they were barely touched.
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Did you read the interview, published earlier this year. Populism might not have existed in the USSR, but it does today and that’s what’s being addressed.
No, I didn't read it.
Walesa seems to be some sort of hero of yours. Did you know he was a double agent who informed on his own side? Lech Walesa 'was paid Communist informant'
So I suspect that in 2025 he will say whatever he is paid to.
Either way, the Polish Solidarity movement which started in Gdansk was not in any way an anti-populist movement. The analogy simply doesn't work. But if you had to shoehorn it in for some reason, then Solidarity had more in common with modern populism than their communist opponents.
Lets not forget they were fighting state corruption and a self-serving government that no longer served the will of the people.
But I'm not really sure where you are going with this. It doesn't really seem relevant or add anything to the problems the UK has in 2025.
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Just as well I wasn’t making it then!
All I said was that Walesa would be opposing populism today, something confirmed by the recent interview.
The allegation that he was an informant was not only denied, it was disproved in court. The documents were faked to try to discredit him.
You need to read the articles you reference!
It wasn’t me who brought Walesa into the debate.
He was cleared in the year 2000. But the allegations remerged more recently with suggested proof that he had given false testimony back in 2000.
I believe the court proceedings over this are still ongoing Polish prosecutors probe Walesa's testimony in spy case - RFI
Either way, any opinion he gives at this stage is going to be incredibly sus.
He is very, very far down the list of reliable and credible witnesses on the state of the UK judiciary.
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What matters here is that this country now has fifth columnists who are attacking its security from the inside. It is a direct result of foreign influence.
How bad does it have to get before you are concerned?
Yes we should be very concerned about foreign influence
Israel lobby funded half of Keir Starmer’s cabinet
I can't imagine why they are coming down so hard on Palestine Action, can you?
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The just recognised Palestine as state. Hardly a show of solidarity with Israel.
That website looks a bit dodgy.
Labour's links are undeniable. From an Israeli source
'Every week there's a challah and we say kiddush': Keir Starmer opens up about Jewish side of family
The recognition of Palestine may be a case of smoke and mirrors designed to appease their own voters, particularly Muslim voters
Keir Starmer did not recognise Palestine – and that’s unforgivable
Meanwhile, British spy planes based in Cyprus continue to assist the Israelis with intelligence.
Labour are continuing the UK government tradition of promising one thing and doing the exact opposite.
'Every week there's a challah and we say kiddush': Keir Starmer opens up about Jewish side of family
The recognition of Palestine may be a case of smoke and mirrors designed to appease their own voters, particularly Muslim voters
Keir Starmer did not recognise Palestine – and that’s unforgivable
Meanwhile, British spy planes based in Cyprus continue to assist the Israelis with intelligence.
Labour are continuing the UK government tradition of promising one thing and doing the exact opposite.
Hrolf The Ganger
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Very likely.
However, it's not really a surprise that wealthy Jews, or indeed wealthy anybodies, try to influence politicians with 'donations'.
Our support of Israel must surely be more about strategic alliances. We don't have too many friends in that region.
Bit chicken and egg though. We don't have many friends in the region because of our links to Israel.
The friends we did have - Saudi, Turkey, the emirates, etc are all moving away from us
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UK police and judiciary out of control.
Keep yer Talons on the thread, Eagles.
Keep yer Talons on the thread, Eagles.