UK Police and Judiciary out of control?

[cryrst]

*Cough* I think you meant to say 'cigarette end'.

He wasn’t poking a fag butt 😂

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I've often heard that as a defence, Wisbech but it all depends who's making the laws, and what those laws are.

It’s not though a defence. It’s a fact. We make the laws! We live in a democracy. It might have its faults but we can correct them, if enough of us decide to do so.

The laws are our laws. They aren’t optional.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Already done. It consists of ivory towers in which you can ignore everything that doesn't fit an agenda, dismiss newspaper reports as made up, video film as fake, personal experience as biased and opinions as influenced evil manipulators.

On your own island no doubt.

I don’t dismiss anything because of any agenda! I dismiss things that either have no verified evidence, are deliberately taken out of context or edited to tell a particular story. Videos have become particularly unreliable. Even the President of the USA is faking them now, even if his are so clumsy they’re obvious. Personal experience is different and always valuable when told truthfully. Same with opinions. It depends on what underlies them.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

But apparently the law, judiciary and the police are apolitical. They must exist in some sort of silent vacuum.

Individuals aren’t but they are professional. They must leave their politics at home. If they don’t they will quickly be found out because they don’t exist in a vacuum. They have standards to maintain, are being observed and supervised. It can go wrong. Charing Cross police station being an example but eventually it gets sorted.

 

[McAhuna]

On your own island no doubt.

I don’t dismiss anything because of any agenda! I dismiss things that either have no verified evidence, are deliberately taken out of context or edited to tell a particular story. Videos have become particularly unreliable. Even the President of the USA is faking them now, even if his are so clumsy they’re obvious. Personal experience is different and always valuable when told truthfully. Same with opinions. It depends on what underlies them.

Nope. Not buying it.
There are more than enough 100% verified examples of undeniable two-tier policing. Ignoring them is just dishonest.

Take the Dartford Labour councillor who was let off after publicly calling for his opponents throats to be cut v
Lucy Connolly jailed for 3 years for a tweet she deleted 30 mins later.
No same person could compare the two cases and justify the two decisions.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

 

[Teddy Eagle]

On your own island no doubt.

I don’t dismiss anything because of any agenda! I dismiss things that either have no verified evidence, are deliberately taken out of context or edited to tell a particular story. Videos have become particularly unreliable. Even the President of the USA is faking them now, even if his are so clumsy they’re obvious. Personal experience is different and always valuable when told truthfully. Same with opinions. It depends on what underlies them.

Yes you do. You think your opinion on life in London is more valid than that of those who experience it on a daily basis whereas any comments on life In Cornwall are dismissed out of hand as lacking personal knowledge. I've lived in parts of London where my wife was afraid to walk down the road in broad daylight but you've told me I'm wrong . Equally I've explained my experiences of overt racism in Cornwall and you've argued with that. The fact that you can't see it is the issue and you are the only person who can't see it
When have you ever provided any verified evidence for any of your opinions?
It's an easy trick to dismiss any post by kicking it down the road until it's point is proven by which time it's always time to move on and put it down to lessons learned and improvements to be made.

 

[HeathMan]

Yes you do. You think your opinion on life in London is more valid than that of those who experience it on a daily basis whereas any comments on life In Cornwall are dismissed out of hand as lacking personal knowledge. I've lived in parts of London where my wife was afraid to walk down the road in broad daylight but you've told me I'm wrong . Equally I've explained my experiences of overt racism in Cornwall and you've argued with that. The fact that you can't see it is the issue and you are the only person who can't see it
When have you ever provided any verified evidence for any of your opinions?
It's an easy trick to dismiss any post by kicking it down the road until it's point is proven by which time it's always time to move on and put it down to lessons learned and improvements to be made.

Cornwall only borders Devon. Still, as far as I remember, a peaceful place. We all watch our surroundings, which is natural for our safety. Seeing a chap in a hooped top is the start to our protecting ourselves. Secondary features determine our actions. Does he have a mask of a stocking over his head (possibly dangerous), or a bycicle and strings of onions (French onion seller). London is full of sources of danger - at times walking down George Street can worry me.

 

[HKOwen]

Nope. Not buying it.
There are more than enough 100% verified examples of undeniable two-tier policing. Ignoring them is just dishonest.

Take the Dartford Labour councillor who was let off after publicly calling for his opponents throats to be cut v
Lucy Connolly jailed for 3 years for a tweet she deleted 30 mins later.
No same person could compare the two cases and justify the two decisions.

Exactly, insane yes though

 

[Phil’s Barber]

When have you ever provided any verified evidence for any of your opinions?

It's an easy trick to dismiss any post by kicking it down the road until it's point is proven by which time it's always time to move on and put it down to lessons learned and improvements to be made.

Wissy’s opinions are so often wrong and not worth paying attention to.

He said Tommy Robinson was not likely to come back to the UK to face the courts - He did.

He said you can’t name an arrested person before charge in the UK - You Can

During the early Biden administration he scoffed at and belittled suggestions that Trump would be the next POTUS - He is.

Just three examples, there are a lot more.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Nope. Not buying it.
There are more than enough 100% verified examples of undeniable two-tier policing. Ignoring them is just dishonest.

Take the Dartford Labour councillor who was let off after publicly calling for his opponents throats to be cut v
Lucy Connolly jailed for 3 years for a tweet she deleted 30 mins later.
No same person could compare the two cases and justify the two decisions.

I can assure you I am sane and I can.

Lucy Connolly pleaded guilty and there was no trial. Just sentencing.

Ricky Jones pleaded not guilty, was tried and found not guilty. Who knows what sentence would have been given if he had been found guilty.

He wasn’t let off. The jury decided he wasn’t guilty beyond any reasonable doubt. They must have accepted his explanation and defence.

That some get excited because people they approve of get into hot water whilst others they don’t approve of don’t, just says things about those they approve of. It says nothing about our justice system.

 

[Glazier#1]

It’s not though a defence. It’s a fact. We make the laws! We live in a democracy. It might have its faults but we can correct them, if enough of us decide to do so.

The laws are our laws. They aren’t optional.

If we look to the future, if a, shall we call it, less than benign power in control should introduce a law that discriminated against some citizens and was actually ant-democratic, then this could be used to control citizens in an undemocratic way, if that makes sense.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Yes you do. You think your opinion on life in London is more valid than that of those who experience it on a daily basis whereas any comments on life In Cornwall are dismissed out of hand as lacking personal knowledge. I've lived in parts of London where my wife was afraid to walk down the road in broad daylight but you've told me I'm wrong . Equally I've explained my experiences of overt racism in Cornwall and you've argued with that. The fact that you can't see it is the issue and you are the only person who can't see it
When have you ever provided any verified evidence for any of your opinions?
It's an easy trick to dismiss any post by kicking it down the road until it's point is proven by which time it's always time to move on and put it down to lessons learned and improvements to be made.

Totally wrong. I have no opinion on life in London. I haven’t lived there for 65 years. I observe parts of it when I visit, very occasionally, and am very pleased I don’t now. I didn’t like it 65 years ago because it was crowded, impolite and expensive. That’s seems not to have improved.

What I comment on is not life in London but the attitudes displayed here by some who do. I don’t doubt your wife was afraid to walk down the road in broad daylight. I felt the same walking past the Blind Beggar in Whitechapel 65 years ago. I don’t do it now through choice and nor, I suspect, does your wife. Which is the point. We all have choices. If you choose to live there, for whatever reason, then clearly those reasons outweigh the reasons not to. It seems to me that some just get stuck in a rut, are incapable of dealing with things so just moan about them. Which is their responsibility. Not their environment.

I choose to live in Cornwall. Which means neither the West End nor Selhurst Park are on my doorstep. Beaches, fresh air, good sailing, great fishing, The Hall for Cornwall and Truro City are though. I have made a choice. Others make theirs, or are too lazy to try.

You had a couple of unfortunate experiences here some years ago. They happen! There are a*se holes everywhere. What I have pointed out is that your experience was untypical, based on my own which now extends for 15 years.

Providing verification for any personal experience on a forum is next to impossible. Sharing them is all you can do and hope that your word is trusted. I don’t doubt your tales of being badly treated here even without them being verified.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

If we look to the future, if a, shall we call it, less than benign power in control should introduce a law that discriminated against some citizens and was actually ant-democratic, then this could be used to control citizens in an undemocratic way, if that makes sense.

That would be the democratic choice of the citizens. One they could reverse.

 

[palace_in_frogland]

A Dysonian society?

What a Miele-mouthed comment.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Totally wrong. I have no opinion on life in London. I haven’t lived there for 65 years. I observe parts of it when I visit, very occasionally, and am very pleased I don’t now. I didn’t like it 65 years ago because it was crowded, impolite and expensive. That’s seems not to have improved.

What I comment on is not life in London but the attitudes displayed here by some who do. I don’t doubt your wife was afraid to walk down the road in broad daylight. I felt the same walking past the Blind Beggar in Whitechapel 65 years ago. I don’t do it now through choice and nor, I suspect, does your wife. Which is the point. We all have choices. If you choose to live there, for whatever reason, then clearly those reasons outweigh the reasons not to. It seems to me that some just get stuck in a rut, are incapable of dealing with things so just moan about them. Which is their responsibility. Not their environment.

I choose to live in Cornwall. Which means neither the West End nor Selhurst Park are on my doorstep. Beaches, fresh air, good sailing, great fishing, The Hall for Cornwall and Truro City are though. I have made a choice. Others make theirs, or are too lazy to try.

You had a couple of unfortunate experiences here some years ago. They happen! There are a*se holes everywhere. What I have pointed out is that your experience was untypical, based on my own which now extends for 15 years.

Providing verification for any personal experience on a forum is next to impossible. Sharing them is all you can do and hope that your word is trusted. I don’t doubt your tales of being badly treated here even without them being verified.

The attitudes are based on experience. One being that of many parents fearing their kids won't come home that night. Why they don't all pack up and move hundreds of miles away from their friends and families to run a nice b & b for a few months a year is a mystery.
65 years ago the Blind Beggar was still 6 years away from anything of note happening so your fear was a bit preemptive.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

What a Miele-mouthed comment.

Never mind. Suck it up.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

I've lived in parts of London where my wife was afraid to walk down the road in broad daylight

Walking past gangs of ten or twenty urban yoof......it can be a bit intimidating for all of us mate. Not just the wives.
You can only guess whether or not some of the lads are carrying. But you can be certain that the many bicycles will outpace you. And that your rapier wit may not be enough to talk your way out of trouble. And it doesnt matter if you are as hard as Bruce Lee.....its not enough to save you.


I can easily identify a few postcodes & street corners that are regular flash-points for all this - looking intimidating time-and-again. But i would expect all non Cornwall Eagles can easily do the same ?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Walking past gangs of ten or twenty urban yoof......it can be a bit intimidating for all of us mate. Not just the wives.
You can only guess whether or not some of them are carrying. But you can be certain that the many bicycles will outpace you. And that your rapier wit may not be enough to talk your way out of trouble.


I can easily identify a few postcodes & street corners that are flash-points for all this. But i would expect all non Cornwall Eagles can easily do the same ?

Sure. There's a fine line between not showing any fear for them to feed off and being prepared to get stabbed up. There have always been areas where everyone knew to be on their guard but it's on another level now.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

The attitudes are based on experience. One being that of many parents fearing their kids won't come home that night. Why they don't all pack up and move hundreds of miles to away from their friends and families to run a nice b & b for a few months a year is a mystery.
65 years ago the Blind Beggar was still 6 years away from anything of note happening so your fear was a bit preemptive.

It is a mystery! One of my first wife’s family lived in Southall during the time the character changed. He worked on building sites, little education, self taught Jack of all trades and reliable. He left with nothing but a new wife and a car and, coincidentally came to Cornwall. His brother followed, then his parents. He bought, and renovated, a tumble down cottage whilst living in a caravan, using Dad’s money. That cottage now extended is worth close to £1 mil. He set up a highly successful building business with his brother and became seriously wealthy, building a lovely home for his parents as well.

It all depends on what is most important and your determination to get it. The attitudes depend on how you deal with the experience. They can either motivate you to action or to a moanfest.

Ok, so the shooting of Kray’s rival didn’t happen until 1966 but Whitechapel was pretty scary long before that and the Krays reputation well known. I had to use the adjacent tube station and didn’t hang around.