Israel v Hamas

I've just seen a shocking video I hadn't realised what is was until i looked. Stupid stupid members of the public getting in the way of the police and not backing off even when told the guy has a bomb.

Morons

My sympathies for the officers trying to control that scene.

As for the perp may he rot in hell.
 
georgenorman said:
www.dailymail.co.uk

Pictured: Manchester synagogue terrorist with suspected suicide belt

Officers were called to the Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation Synagogue at 9.31am today on Yom Kippur, the holiest day in the Jewish calendar.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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And there are thousands more. Let's face it. It's not a value judgement, it's simply common sense to state that the narrative surrounding Palestine in our countries was going to lead to this. It doesn't take Nostradamus to tell me that there'll be loads all over Europe. I wonder have people wondered what good their protests are doing? Or are they counter productive? What will they achieve? I doubt they'll consider it.
I know at least two people who'll be openly happy about this. And they won't be challenged on those views. They seem to think they're involved somehow. Whipping up frenzies on this is not being involved. It's simply following the cool gang in reality.
 
georgenorman said:
That's war for you. Hamas now have an opportunity to end it, but of course they won't because they couldn't care less about the people they purport to represent. Similarly, apologists for their terrorism continue to try to undermine any peace moves.
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The peace moves are being undermined from both sides.

Thus, getting support from the Arab League and then presenting to the world a version subsequently varied to suit Israel; or Israeli ministers publicly disclaiming the 20 point package (even the post edit version tentatively approved by Netanyahu).

As you say, Hamas are no better; but then what do you expect from terrorists. The difference is that one is an elected government; the other a disparate insurgent group one can no longer even call a collective. Who are they; who do they represent? How can you make peace with shifting sand?
 
Per
haps Mossad staged it to discredit our peace-loving Islamic community? George Norman.
Not really the right time for that,two dead and others stabbed.
 
ASCPFC said:
And there are thousands more. Let's face it. It's not a value judgement, it's simply common sense to state that the narrative surrounding Palestine in our countries was going to lead to this. It doesn't take Nostradamus to tell me that there'll be loads all over Europe. I wonder have people wondered what good their protests are doing? Or are they counter productive? What will they achieve? I doubt they'll consider it.
I know at least two people who'll be openly happy about this. And they won't be challenged on those views. They seem to think they're involved somehow. Whipping up frenzies on this is not being involved. It's simply following the cool gang in reality.
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Do you honestly believe that the principle cause of the rise of antisemitism (especially from Muslims) is primarily or else substantively caused by protests against Israel's actions whipping up a frenzy?

That's just madness. It isn't even chicken and egg.

I said on another thread:

Jews: 15.8 million
Muslims: 2.05 billion.

Including those who live all around Israel.

If Israel continues to act in this reckless, self-defeating way against largely defenseless and mainly Muslim Gazans, they risk not only their own future but that of the diaspora population. Israel may enjoy unqualified protection from the USA, but the diaspora is vastly outnumbered and horribly exposed.

There are certain to be more dreadful acts like this both here and worldwide.
 
beak said:
Per
haps Mossad staged it to discredit our peace-loving Islamic community? George Norman.
Not really the right time for that,two dead and others stabbed.
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I'm just surprised that someone on the Left has not suggested it yet. It is exactly the right time by the way - witness silvertop's last post.
 
georgenorman said:
I'm just surprised that someone on the Left has not suggested it yet. It is exactly the right time by the way - witness silvertop's last post.
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Incorigible. When you look back on your life in the future this will haunt you. Society is falling apart but a lack of respect for people slaughtered needlessly whilst going to pray is way beyond acceptable.
 
beak said:
Incorigible. When you look back on your life in the future this will haunt you. Society is falling apart but a lack of respect for people slaughtered needlessly whilst going to pray is way beyond acceptable.
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I have not shown a lack of respect for the victims, I am merely attacking the Left for their usual reluctance to blame those responsible. Did you notice that the most left-wing extremist on here, Steeleye, liked silvertop's victim-blaming post.
 
Any innocents dying is a tragedy.

The peace settlement seems to be stalling because Hamas either can't release the hostages because other groups are holding them, or because they feel it's their security to ensure Israel abides. As soon as the hostages are freed they fear Israel with continue their onslaught and will not abide by the agreement, particularly after it attempted to assassinate the Hamas leadership in Doha
 
georgenorman said:
I have not shown a lack of respect for the victims, I am merely attacking the Left for their usual reluctance to blame those responsible. Did you notice that the most left-wing extremist on here, Steeleye, liked silvertop's victim-blaming post.
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I think you will find that leading figures of the left have expressed shock,horror etc Andy Burnham, Khan and Starmer has cut short a foreign meeting to hold a COBRA meeting.I for one have supported Israel in their endeavours to punish Hamas and locate the hostages.
 
silvertop said:
Do you honestly believe that the principle cause of the rise of antisemitism (especially from Muslims) is primarily or else substantively caused by protests against Israel's actions whipping up a frenzy?

That's just madness. It isn't even chicken and egg.

I said on another thread:

Jews: 15.8 million
Muslims: 2.05 billion.

Including those who live all around Israel.

If Israel continues to act in this reckless, self-defeating way against largely defenseless and mainly Muslim Gazans, they risk not only their own future but that of the diaspora population. Israel may enjoy unqualified protection from the USA, but the diaspora is vastly outnumbered and horribly exposed.

There are certain to be more dreadful acts like this both here and worldwide.
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There is no excuse for British Muslims to attack British Jews irrespective of the Israel government's decisions. Jews living abroad are not responsible for Israel's actions good or bad. You really think Israel should change course because of Islamists in the UK?
 
silvertop said:
Do you honestly believe that the principle cause of the rise of antisemitism (especially from Muslims) is primarily or else substantively caused by protests against Israel's actions whipping up a frenzy?

That's just madness. It isn't even chicken and egg.

I said on another thread:

Jews: 15.8 million
Muslims: 2.05 billion.

Including those who live all around Israel.

If Israel continues to act in this reckless, self-defeating way against largely defenseless and mainly Muslim Gazans, they risk not only their own future but that of the diaspora population. Israel may enjoy unqualified protection from the USA, but the diaspora is vastly outnumbered and horribly exposed.

There are certain to be more dreadful acts like this both here and worldwide.
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You seem unable to realise a narrative is created where one side are victims and one side are perpetrators. In such a narrative those who are more prone to be radicalised will feel their views are justified and righteous. Thus justifying actions they take.
The same narrative can be said of those Israelis in Israel willing in the destruction of Palestine.
However, this is here - where we are showing one side as innocent victims and one as evil perpetrators and the protests and flags back that up.
I knew this would be the response I'd get. This is part of justifying those actions without really considering it.
 
ASCPFC said:
What? There haven't been many before?
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Yes every single time i'm truly amazed at how bloody stupid people are to throw their life away and other lives in pursuit of an ideaology. An ideaology that may well prove to be a bit iffy.
 
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beak said:
Yes every single time i'm truly amazed at how bloody stupid people are to throw their life away and other lives in pursuit of an ideaology. An ideaology thatmay well prove to be a bit iffy.
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You have been amazed hundreds of times then. Could be thousands if I could be bothered to research it.
Isn't that more like "fool me once shame on you; fool me hundreds of times I'm a completely gullible fool"?
 
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