US Politics

[Spindle]

Any lefty complaining about free speech who wasn't also complaining when the left were in power doesn't deserve a hearing. Some of the same people complaining about Kimmel were defending people being arrested for silently praying.

It's very rare that I heard any of them complain about free speech unless it affected their politics.

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Jesus Christ imagine being well beyond the rest of the world on this including Belarus, China and Russia. It's disgusting.

I'd like to see a breakdown. I'd wager it's mostly hurty words that the alphabet people can't handle.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

The generation were completely betrayed.

Nearly half a million died and much more in WW1 only for modern politicians to give the country they fought for away to foreigners.

It's deeply depressing. It has been known for decades that large numbers of migrants don't integrate into a society like a slow trickle does. Enoch Powell said as much.

And yet it has been allowed to happen.

On cannot help but have the feeling that it has been done with purpose. Our country's identity been sacrificed for an agenda that clearly does not benefit the people.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Jesus Christ imagine being well beyond the rest of the world on this including Belarus, China and Russia. It's disgusting.

I'd like to see a breakdown. I'd wager it's mostly hurty words that the alphabet people can't handle.

All we are missing now is re education centres and gulags.

We have already made a start.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Any lefty complaining about free speech who wasn't also complaining when the left were in power doesn't deserve a hearing. Some of the same people complaining about Kimmel were defending people being arrested for silently praying.

It's very rare that I heard any of them complain about free speech unless it affected their politics.

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An average of 33 arrests a day all year. Unbelievable.
Resourcing problems don't seem to be a factor when it comes to this situation.

 

[Stirlingsays]

An average of 33 arrests a day all year. Unbelievable.
Resourcing problems don't seem to be a factor when it comes to this situation.

Yep and that was under the woke Tories.

Both mainstream parties are traitor parties.

Even listening to the Tories now you don't hear attacks against the laws they help implement.

Even the architect of the 'Online Safety Act'....one of the most lied about bills you have ever heard of....since the last most lied about bill.....Nadine 'what's her face' has just joined Reform.

Rough times for the country that birthed modern liberty.

 

[Stirlingsays]

There is this guy I occasionally listen to.....Commercially I regard him as dodgy but I've found many of his videos funny in an understated way and brutally honest about what it takes to succeed in some spheres.

There are several aspects about him that I don't like but he's highly intelligent and when those people talk it's never a bad idea to listen.

Here he is in a short video talking about the recent murders in the US.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Matt Walsh making the point that Kimmel celebrated the firing and censorship of Tucker Carlson and other right wingers. As did most of those complaining now.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Your claim that Kimmel has done nothing wrong is laughable. His snide mockery of a tragedy isn’t free speech it’s reckless fuel for division.

Crying “authoritarianism” while ignoring the left’s own censorship games is peak hypocrisy and I expect nothing less from you.

You blame Charlie kirks ideas based on zero evidence just vibes and based on nothing but rumors is intellectual cowardice, try facts next time. 👍🏻
You are also dodging the lefts obsession with chaos, riots and looting which get a pass on but peaceful vigils get sneered at. 🤷🏻‍♂️

The left’s diversity and respect stick falls apart when you demonise anyone who disagrees. Seeking help from abortion murder clinics? Seek help yourself if you think like this. It is a weak attempt to sidestep the issue at hand.

He didn’t mock the tragedy at all. He sent his condolences and regrets that something like this can happen in the USA. Any mocking is directed at the response of the right. Nothing else.

What “censorship games” do you imagine have been the responsibility of the left? For your imagination is the only place they exist.

Charlie Kirk held, and spread ideas that are typical of the evangelical right. He advocated for Christian Nationalism, was anti abortion, anti DEI, anti LGBT rights. It’s perfectly ok to hold such ideas but it’s not to advocate for their adoption if the majority opposes them. It’s no surprise when such extreme views produce equality extreme reactions. Such views are divisive, as you either love them, or hate them. I advocate that those who believe in them should be fully entitled to live their own lives by such standards, but should not be allowed to impose their beliefs on others.

I oppose violence of any kind, whoever is involved, or whatever the source. So you will never, ever read or hear anything from me defending riots. That’s completely different to trying to identify the underlying causes of events, which is what I often attempt to do.

You, once again, lay your prejudice out in the open by your use of “abortion murder clinics”. An offensive and grossly inappropriate term. I have absolutely no problem with any woman who refuses to have an abortion, in any circumstances, on moral or religious grounds. That is entirely her personal choice and will always be defended. However, the reverse applies. If a woman decides to have a legal abortion then no one should interfere in any way. You can campaign to change the law but unless and until it is changed you abide by it.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

No conspiracy theories there then.

No. Facts and observations which only the wilfully blind cannot see.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Charlie Kirk held, and spread ideas that are typical of the evangelical right. He advocated for Christian Nationalism, was anti abortion, anti DEI, anti LGBT rights. It’s perfectly ok to hold such ideas but it’s not to advocate for their adoption if the majority opposes them. It’s no surprise when such extreme views produce equality extreme reactions. Such views are divisive, as you either love them, or hate them. I advocate that those who believe in them should be fully entitled to live their own lives by such standards, but should not be allowed to impose their beliefs on others.

This is hilarious and it's not the first time he's made this point before twisting himself in knots trying to square with his support today's existing dogma, which was once very much opposed by the majority of people.

Homosexuals, transgenderism and a whole host of groups were allowed to advocate for their adoption as acceptable by a public far less indoctrinated than today.

Following his logic these people wouldn't have been allowed to advocate.

He literally writes against how his own belief system came to be.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

1. You've tried to distance him from your lot and claim he's a right winger. That does nothing to eliminate political violence. If you wanted that you should be calling out the left on their behaviours because they aren't going to listen to the opposition.

2. As I said in #1, there you go

3. Whataboutery without equivalence, and in the same sentence blames the right wing for getting more extreme. Hardly an attempt to gain concensus

4. "Wasn't their fault, but it was because they caused it".

You can't even see your own contradictions lol

I don’t have a “lot”! Nor have I claimed he is a right winger.

The left have done nothing by comparison. Any action taken against Trump, or anyone else, was through the Courts because of illegality.

Decent people abide by the law. Indecent people think they are the law.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Kimmel has spread disinformation about what happened on a major TV network. You would expect him to be sanctioned as ABC has a public responsibility in exchange for it's licence.

That said, his real crime is that he is crap and people have stopped watching him. On America TV that is a crime that they don't forgive unlike the BBC.

During the communist witch-hunts of the fifties and the so called friendly and unfriendly witnesses some wag put a sign up at a film studio which read "It's not enough to have informed you also have to have talent".

To bring that up to date, being Hollyweird or woke will only get you so far, it's still all about bums on seats.

No he didn’t. He offered an opinion. As he is free to do.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

No. Facts and observations which only the wilfully blind cannot see.

Except when a mystery virus emerges from a place that has a research centre into those types of viruses when any connection is pure speculation fueled by conspiracy theories which only the gullible would believe.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

No he didn’t. He offered an opinion. As he is free to do.

Just like Graham Linehan then.

 

[eaglesdare]

He didn’t mock the tragedy at all. He sent his condolences and regrets that something like this can happen in the USA. Any mocking is directed at the response of the right. Nothing else.

What “censorship games” do you imagine have been the responsibility of the left? For your imagination is the only place they exist.

Charlie Kirk held, and spread ideas that are typical of the evangelical right. He advocated for Christian Nationalism, was anti abortion, anti DEI, anti LGBT rights. It’s perfectly ok to hold such ideas but it’s not to advocate for their adoption if the majority opposes them. It’s no surprise when such extreme views produce equality extreme reactions. Such views are divisive, as you either love them, or hate them. I advocate that those who believe in them should be fully entitled to live their own lives by such standards, but should not be allowed to impose their beliefs on others.

I oppose violence of any kind, whoever is involved, or whatever the source. So you will never, ever read or hear anything from me defending riots. That’s completely different to trying to identify the underlying causes of events, which is what I often attempt to do.

You, once again, lay your prejudice out in the open by your use of “abortion murder clinics”. An offensive and grossly inappropriate term. I have absolutely no problem with any woman who refuses to have an abortion, in any circumstances, on moral or religious grounds. That is entirely her personal choice and will always be defended. However, the reverse applies. If a woman decides to have a legal abortion then no one should interfere in any way. You can campaign to change the law but unless and until it is changed you abide by it.

Wrong again. You are twisting Kimmels actions to fit a narrative. His condolences were a hollow setup for his real aim which was snarky jabs at the rights response. That’s not empathy it’s exploiting a tragedy. If you can’t see how that fuels division, you are not looking hard enough.

You mention censorship games. The lefty playbook is clear they deplatform voices they dislike or in recent cases they assassinate and murder.

Blaming Kirk’s ideas for extreme reactions without evidence is just lazy. Those are opinions not incitement. Pinning violence on him because you disagree is a cheap tactic.

You claim to oppose all violence yet the lefts selective outrage is glaring. Riots and looting get are okay but peaceful vigils are mocked as performative. Do you see how hypocritical you sound? 🙄

As for abortion (which you brought up) and their murder clinics that contribute to mass genocide of babies then I am happy to debate this with you in another thread. To not distract from the topic. 👍🏻

If you want to talk about imposing beliefs then look no further than the lefts push to silence anyone who does not bow to their ridiculous idealogy.

 

[Stirlingsays]

The idea that Charlie Kirk had extreme views is absurd.

Indeed, if Corny isn't lying about his age then he literally grew up in times where people were more socially conservative than Charlie Kirk.

Corny's views would have been considered the extreme ones, not Kirk.....Yet he spends so much time trying to paint other people as extreme it's quite laughable.

Kirk was the guy who would welcome those who disagreed with him to debate him.

Yeah, some extremist.......Extremists do the opposite.

 

[eaglesdare]

The idea that Charlie Kirk had extreme views is absurd.

Indeed, if Corny isn't lying about his age then he literally grew up in times where people were more socially conservative than Charlie Kirk.

Corny's views would have been considered the extreme ones, not Kirk.....Yet he spends so much time trying to paint other people as extreme it's quite laughable.

Kirk was the guy who would welcome those who disagreed with him to debate him.

Yeah, some extremist.......Extremists do the opposite.

And they shot him for it. And then celebrated it 😔