Labour Party politics

silvertop said:
If they go full Corbyn they will retain their original base but lose the massive middle (who got them all those seats) to the Lib Dems/Greens.

Chasing Reform makes them appear the party in opposition, completely disingenuous/ridiculous and causes them to... lose the massive middle (who got them all those seats) to the Lib Dems/Greens.

Damned if they do...
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Anyone who votes Green is certainly not 'middle' - they are far-far-left.
 
silvertop said:
If they go full Corbyn they will retain their original base but lose the massive middle (who got them all those seats) to the Lib Dems/Greens.

Chasing Reform makes them appear the party in opposition, completely disingenuous/ridiculous and causes them to... lose the massive middle (who got them all those seats) to the Lib Dems/Greens.

Damned if they do...
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That's probably true.

But you know I've always said it....I can't respect fake politics...'focus group' politics.

Blairism.....designer politics for power.

Feck that.....Give me conviction politicians.

Give me the right or give me the left.
Don't give me Frankenstein's monster....a piece of this, a piece of that.

When Reform first started up and everybody was saying it would split the conservative vote....I cheered it on because I saw it as an attempt at an actual socially conservative party (not so sure now) where that base would be served. Just as I cheer on Corbyn's 'Your Party' (silly name) because at least it's an actual left wing party that isn't afraid of standing for its ideas and the people who believe in them.

I use to think that was the whole sodding point of a democracy.....Now I think it's just a performative fig leaf to keep the cheques coming while elites suck away what lifeblood is left from the country.

I think Labour's best chance of power.....Not that I support many of their ideas.....their best chance is actually being the Labour party before Blair changed it.....The party of Smith.

Not the party of Blair and Mandy fecking Mandelson.
 
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georgenorman said:
Anyone who votes Green is certainly not 'middle' - they are far-far-left.
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correct. The Greens everywhere.

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Spiderman said:
The bs this bloke spews is beyond reprehensible
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An answer to Khan: Labour were in power in the 70s. There were no far right marches except maybe a few skinheads by the late 70s/ early 80s. Then there was the BNP which got a total of one council in the entire country. I believe they had no London councillors at all. The minorities are the majority in London. Maybe it's time for these minority British flag wavers to be intimidated and scared by the constant foreign flag flying ceremonies that seem welcomed by the supposed government.
Stop inventing history. Only idiots and fools are buying it.
More likely violent rhetoric in the mosques has been dialed up a notch. But I'm pretty sure we have to ignore that.
What is a grooming gang Mr Khan? Your own assembly defined it, yet you have never heard of it.
 
ASCPFC said:
An answer to Khan: Labour were in power in the 70s. There were no far right marches except maybe a few skinheads by the late 70s/ early 80s. Then there was the BNP which got a total of one council in the entire country. I believe they had no London councillors at all. The minorities are the majority in London. Maybe it's time for these minority British flag wavers to be intimidated and scared by the constant foreign flag flying ceremonies that seem welcomed by the supposed government.
Stop inventing history. Only idiots and fools are buying it.
More likely violent rhetoric in the mosques has been dialed up a notch. But I'm pretty sure we have to ignore that.
What is a grooming gang Mr Khan? Your own assembly defined it, yet you have never heard of it.
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Well he has to try to justify his recent pay rise taking his salary to 170k pa
 
Spiderman said:
Well he has to try to justify his recent pay rise taking his salary to 170k pa
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It's not even so much his own salary when you look into it. I don't even fully begrudge him a high wage - London's a big place, I presume he works quite a bit. However, the overall staff wages are crazy - with loads of people employed for social media duties in his own office. I believe Khan has presided over something like a 60% increase in wage bills for the Greater London Authority. Probably explaining why he needs ULEZ and Council Tax rises.
London councils are tens of billions in debt.
 
silvertop said:
They are in an impossible position.

Pacify their base but turn into France.

Apply prudent fiscal policies which makes everyone hate you but will scrape them along to the next GE just about propped up by mini poppets of good news (e.g. today's AI investment announcement).

Chase Reform but alienate their base.

Too many ropes pulling in too many directions without any possibility of following any recognizable objective without cost.

They are dead man walking but don't yet know it. The ultimate pressing of the self destruct will be replacing Starmer with a feminist.
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He’s had two chances to get some kudos. loosely but…
Carry through the welfare investigation for cuts and get some illegals out of the country and he bottled on both!
What a t*** this man really is. One illegal on a flight yesterday and it got stopped.
Ffs grow a pair you dick.
 
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