Reform

beak said:
She doesn't come up with much in the way of policy,she does have the stamp of learning on the job,Missing the mark at PMQs on a Wednesday regularly.I guess the Tories will put her in the bin very soon and have Jenerick, tho' Jeremy Hunt would be formidable.
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Conservatives are in the middle of a comprehensive 'Policy Renewal Programme'.
Applications are now open for the first new 'Member Expert groups'.
We have commissions from Shadow Ministers for the new policy papers on Education and Transport and will be released to the CPF soon.
A great deal of policy work is on-going.
Contrast this with Reform and their attention-seeking pie-in-the sky announcements.
 
Willo said:
Some while back they spouted about no taxes for those earning less than 20K. All gone very 'Mute' on this subject !
Their energy policy disintegrated the day after it was announced.
Farage's pledge to stop the boats within 2 weeks of taking office has been altered to within 2 weeks of legislation which is a different proposition.
Expelling 10,000 foreign prisoners and using the army to build new prisons remains uncosted and the practicalities are unclear.
All attention-seeking 'Pie-in-the-sky' flitting from headline to headline.
Vote Reform at your peril.
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So, how does this compare with what we have at the moment...remember everything in the Labour blurb was fully costed (until it was apparent that it wasn't). Starmer stating how he would honour the WASPI enquiry outcome (until he didn't), stating how farming was critical to the UK (until his government decided to shaft the industry with IHT). His government then takes away the WFA (then has to reverse most of it), denies a national enquiry into grooming gangs is necessary (then decides that there is a need), decides to smash the gangs (yet they seem to be doing even better), says a woman can have a pen1s (then when the law decides they can't, changes his mind). My point is, Willo, Reform cannot be any worse, and therefore the electorate will probably vote them in. And please note that Reform are driving the agenda and getting Labour to move their own goalposts to pacify the public's concerns (not quick enough in my opinion) but they seem to know what the public want and therefore should be given a chance.
 
Common Sense Club said:
So, how does this compare with what we have at the moment...remember everything in the Labour blurb was fully costed (until it was apparent that it wasn't). Starmer stating how he would honour the WASPI enquiry outcome (until he didn't), stating how farming was critical to the UK (until his government decided to shaft the industry with IHT). His government then takes away the WFA (then has to reverse most of it), denies a national enquiry into grooming gangs is necessary (then decides that there is a need), decides to smash the gangs (yet they seem to be doing even better), says a woman can have a pen1s (then when the law decides they can't, changes his mind). My point is, Willo, Reform cannot be any worse, and therefore the electorate will probably vote them in. And please note that Reform are driving the agenda and getting Labour to move their own goalposts to pacify the public's concerns (not quick enough in my opinion) but they seem to know what the public want and therefore should be given a chance.
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populist drivel just lip service,i'll say anything you want politics for the simple minded!
 
Common Sense Club said:
So, how does this compare with what we have at the moment...remember everything in the Labour blurb was fully costed (until it was apparent that it wasn't). Starmer stating how he would honour the WASPI enquiry outcome (until he didn't), stating how farming was critical to the UK (until his government decided to shaft the industry with IHT). His government then takes away the WFA (then has to reverse most of it), denies a national enquiry into grooming gangs is necessary (then decides that there is a need), decides to smash the gangs (yet they seem to be doing even better), says a woman can have a pen1s (then when the law decides they can't, changes his mind). My point is, Willo, Reform cannot be any worse, and therefore the electorate will probably vote them in.the age And please note that Reform are driving the agenda and getting Labour to move their own goalposts to pacify the public's concerns (not quick enough in my opinion) but they seem to know what the public want and therefore should be given a chance.
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We need more intellectual and moral depth in our politics, NOT one-note opportunists who catch the prevailing mood.
I can appreciate that for many disillusioned voters, Reform might be viewed as a political oasis, however it is a mirage.
Nigel Mirage's party lack substance.
 
Willo said:
We need more intellectual and moral depth in our politics, NOT one-note opportunists who catch the prevailing mood.
I can appreciate that for many disillusioned voters, Reform might be viewed as a political oasis, however it is a mirage.
Nigel Mirage's party lack substance.
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Good luck with that. Opportunists who catch the prevailing mood tend to be successful...particularly in business, so why not in politics?
 
Common Sense Club said:
Good luck with that. Opportunists who catch the prevailing mood tend to be successful...particularly in business, so why not in politics?
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This is politics with a nation's well-being and prospects at stake affecting millions.Reform are a party that is flitting from one populist headline to another with no deep-down analysis of the problems and underlying causes.A complete lack of expertise might be the reason.
 
Willo said:
This is politics with a nation's well-being and prospects at stake affecting millions.Reform are a party that is flitting from one populist headline to another with no deep-down analysis of the problems and underlying causes.A complete lack of expertise might be the reason.
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It'll be fully costed by the time of the election.
 
Common Sense Club said:
Like anybody...Starmer, promising change and to smash the gangs, Corbyn said the right things to get to be leader. I assume you want politicians to do everything that the public don't want...as they shouldn't do popular policies.
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I want politicians that promise only what they can deliver, that set realistic and sensible targets not a plethora of hastily assembled knee-jerk reactions and outlandish pledges.Reform's policies are built on sand.
 
Willo said:
We have not been silent.Businesses have been listening.
For the third quarter in a row the Conservative Party has raised more money in donations than Labour and Reform.
Business leaders, entrepreneurs and their employees all recognise that we're the only party that has their back and won't bankrupt the country.
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Well, the Truss government didn't give confidence to the markets.
 
The general ideas of Truss were very good - it was the way she went about it that was such poor judgement.
 
Willo said:
This is politics with a nation's well-being and prospects at stake affecting millions.Reform are a party that is flitting from one populist headline to another with no deep-down analysis of the problems and underlying causes.A complete lack of expertise might be the reason.
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The term populist is just a disparaging phrase intended to gaslight people into thinking that what the people actually want is wrong or foolish. It is neither.

They want to retain what is left of what made this country 'British'. They don't want to become a cultural and numerical minority in their own country. They don't want the Third World on their streets and at their doorstep.

It's time for fresh ideas and a rejection of all the thinking that got us here.
 
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