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Just a bit of balance to drown out all the Parish hate. It’s gone to another level.

We always knew that the dangers of this window were Eze and Guehi. One with a release clause, the other last year of contract.

Hard to go and replace early because, well they might not actually leave, and we don’t have big money to throw around on bench players. But also when signing a hight profile player, they will probably want to be sure that they are going to be as indispensable as you promise.

So the sensible thing to do is to have targets lined up for if and when that happens. To help speed things along, we had a release clause that expired for Eze, and Parish spoke publicly about the need to sell Guehi this window.

Window trundles along and no bids for anyone. First nibble was Spurs for Eze in late August. Eze then calls Arsenal to engineer a move there (and not that I’m bitter, tells OG he can’t play in the European game). We potentilly let Guessard go (as hadn’t got a bid in for Eze yet) Leicester are f3cking around with El Khannouss so we move on, Leipzig sell a load of players so don’t want to let Baumgartner go. End up signing Pino. Great price, great experience, perfect age. Feels like good work.

Liverpool put their first bid in for Guehi on the 30th August…..Lets assume for a moment that Parish and Glasner are on the same page (and Glasner talking in the press isn’t a threat, but clarifying the club’s stance). We look at deals for Pavlovic, Akanji, and Julio. And potentially the deal sheet was something to do with one of those or Joe Gomez. We couldn’t get those done so pulled the plug.

Outside of that. We’ve signed a LB cover for peanuts, and an experienced back up keeper. We’ve signed a very highly regarded CB prospect. We also may still get the Uche deal done. Another who’s stock is skyrocketing.

Franca is on loan to hopefully get his mojo back, and Edouard is gone!

Messy yes. But is that Parish’s fault. Potentially. Did it help that Eze’s clause wasn’t triggered, and Liverpool decided to wait until 2 days before? Absolutely not.

In Pino, Carvot and Uche we’ve signed some great young talent. Maybe the next Eze, Olise and Guehi. Ignore all the noise and IMO it’s a pretty good window.
 
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Emotions and acceptable frustrations aside.

Out
Wards leadership and Eze’s match winning quality.
Others had or were already moving on.

In
New experiences back up keeper
Finally a 2nd choice left back who offers different qualities going forward.
A young exciting cb to develop.
Yeremy who looks an exciting Eze replacement and one Glasner is happy about.
Uche - hopefully an option to buy if he impresses.

If I am right we also still have 20m or so for January to strengthen again if necessary.

Add to that until Jan we have arguably one of the best defences in the league with our capt leading the way.

All in all a decent window

Important part now is to slowly mend relationships and push as high up the prem as we can
 
Yea , a fairly good window imo, we got a few good young players in, Pino looked very good last night , we still need strengthening in a few places . It was a bit of a debacle with the Guehi non transfer , , a replacment should have been sourced ages ago its not like it was a well kept secret that he was close to leaving and wanted to join the bin dippers . Fair play to him for his professionalism and attitude for giving 100 percent to every game and not sulking like some would do . I love OG and hope he leads by example and signs a new contract sooner rather than later .
 
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It's worked out

For this season at least. I trust Guehi will overcome his disappointment and have a great season after which he'll get where he wants to go next summer (if not January). Kind of hoping it will be Real Madrid to annoy the scousers.

There is going to be a loss of funds because of Guehi but if it was that important then the replacement should have been arranged sooner rather than gamble on the deadline day. Certainly Parish and team took their eye of the ball of the replacement - probably due to Freedman going and the UEFA situation.

So we are down money on Guehi. There is some wages saving. We will probably finish higher with him than without him which is worth millions. But Nketiah was never worth £30m so we are probably £10m down on him. Franca was never worth £18m. That's football, you don't always get every transfer right. Pino looks great as an Eze replacement and a £40m net gain there. And at least a bit of money came in for Edouard.
 
All in all good window

Glasner has to play the hand his dealt and get on with it, Guéhi might leave in January for some cash or free in the summer or sign's a new deal who knows, if we have another good season he might stay.

Let's enjoy it
 
Nice to see a thread which is, so far, full of restraint and balance. I'd add:

1) You can't judge incoming players for a year or two after a transfer. Even established players may fare better or worse because of the system, teammates, or manager.

2) Surely both Glasner and Parish understood the other's position, and ultimately both emerged with integrity intact. Regardless of this window's business, Glasner could leave after next year for professional or personal reasons. A good second season and he'll be in great demand.

3) As another man of integrity, Guehi will understand Palace's position, too. Assuming he leaves next summer, I hope he'll join the club of his dreams. Players seldom do.
 
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Chaotic? Absolutely! But...... the lens most of us have is spurious media hanging on to threads and leaks from agents. The club business model, which is spot on considering our size and financial reach, with a fan-chairman/Ceo trying to maintain board control and being somewhat risk averse (for good reason) means we are often the small boat in a big ocean being surrounded by the big yachts and we are caught in their wake. Yet, these so called big professional clubs spending uber $$$ on mediocre talent, most of which gets tossed on the heap a year or two later. SO, forget the media drama; we retain our best leader and player, we add some really interesting raw talent (all of whom have international credentials), spend far less than others to protect the financial integrity of the club and we loose some under-performers.

Compared to all the hype and noise generated in this window, I think we did OK and improved the bench without throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Of course time will tell, but frankly, we did OK!
 
mileend said:
It's worked out

For this season at least. I trust Guehi will overcome his disappointment and have a great season after which he'll get where he wants to go next summer (if not January). Kind of hoping it will be Real Madrid to annoy the scousers.

There is going to be a loss of funds because of Guehi but if it was that important then the replacement should have been arranged sooner rather than gamble on the deadline day. Certainly Parish and team took their eye of the ball of the replacement - probably due to Freedman going and the UEFA situation.

So we are down money on Guehi. There is some wages saving. We will probably finish higher with him than without him which is worth millions. But Nketiah was never worth £30m so we are probably £10m down on him. Franca was never worth £18m. That's football, you don't always get every transfer right. Pino looks great as an Eze replacement and a £40m net gain there. And at least a bit of money came in for Edouard.
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Gotta assume that if there was an offer worthwhile us doing so we would have accepted it earlier. On one hand Parish is getting criticised for not forcing a move and on the other he is getting criticised for trying to force one.

Liverpool knew all Summer a decent offer gets accepted if we can find a replacement. Whose to say Diomande wasn’t it, we had it lined up early, Liverpool didn’t bid, he (and probably other alternatives) cease to be a viable option?

Agree it all worked out though!
 
Team of the (20)80s said:
Gotta assume that if there was an offer worthwhile us doing so we would have accepted it earlier. On one hand Parish is getting criticised for not forcing a move and on the other he is getting criticised for trying to force one.

Liverpool knew all Summer a decent offer gets accepted if we can find a replacement. Whose to say Diomande wasn’t it, we had it lined up early, Liverpool didn’t bid, he (and probably other alternatives) cease to be a viable option?

Agree it all worked out tho
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Team of the (20)80s said:
Gotta assume that if there was an offer worthwhile us doing so we would have accepted it earlier. On one hand Parish is getting criticised for not forcing a move and on the other he is getting criticised for trying to force one.

Liverpool knew all Summer a decent offer gets accepted if we can find a replacement. Whose to say Diomande wasn’t it, we had it lined up early, Liverpool didn’t bid, he (and probably other alternatives) cease to be a viable option?

Agree it all worked out though!
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This is the crux of it for me.

As much as a lot of Palace fans are blaming Parish, Liverpool fans are p1ssed with their board. Why wait until the last day of the window to get this sorted. Especially as it was for relatively small money and the player wanted to come.

IMO its Liverpools behaviour that has made this messy, not Parish.

The only potential criticism I can levy at Parish is to flat out refuse any bid after the start of the season. And inform all the relevant agents in advance (he either moves early or not at all).

That being said, a 40m bid comes in, Marc wants to go and you think you can get Pavlovic, its worth a try I guess.

It played out in the media as though everything is completely out of control, and OG is threatening to quit. But there may have been a meeting with OG, MG and Parish, agreeing on the conditions that would allow this to happen. And they gave it a go.
 
Well at the end of a very long finger biting day it turned out to be a pretty good window if you ask me, considering all this Uefa shenanigans that's been going on.
Some great talent brought in.Still got Marc...wouldn't surprise me if HE wanted to stay looking at his friendship with the other lads. Hopefully Ollie, the best manager we've ever had bar no one will sign a new contract with us as some point soon. COYP!
 
Transfer Window Post Mortem time.

The Window is a particularly difficult time on HOL with a range of views and emotions. Largely fuelled by speculative digital ‘ journalists ‘ on clickbait sites. And supplemented by all of us on HOL, trying to navigate our way through what is fact and what is fiction. What is certain is that I don’t know of anyone, myself definitely included, that has any ‘ inside ‘ info on the financials of the club or the way in which transfer business is conducted. So it’s all about opinions - although I think some are more informed than others if that makes sense.
So, for what it's worth, this is my view. I said all along I would reserve ultimate judgment until the Window has closed which it now has.

THE GOOD

We bolstered the squad. Glasner’s requirements were for 4/5 more players and 5 were duly signed.
Benetiz - has a decent pedigree and will hopefully prove an able back up for Henderson
Borsa - has been given some game time already. He doesn’t look anything exceptional at the moment but again, a useful back up to Mitchell, a player that previously had no cover
Pinto - the pick of the bunch. Young but with good La Liga experience and a full Spanish international. A different type of player from Eze but a lot will be expected from him as a creative type of player
Canvot - one for the future. I don’t profess to know anything about him but the club have ( for us anyway ) made a hefty investment.
Uche - will provide attacking options, but as above, I can’t offer any prior knowledge in terms of his ability

We got market value for Eze

We finally got Edouard off of the payroll. Ultimately an expensive flop, he was never going to progress into the kind of player that Glasner required .

Franco Umah generated some Academy related revenue with his move to Portsmouth


THE BAD

Throughout the Window, I didn’t feel comfortable that Palace had adequately replaced Dougie Freedman. While he didn’t always get it right ( Franca ), more often than not he came up with the goods. My interpretation of events is that Parish left it to DF’s staff to oversee the transfers and that they came up short. Hence, late in the day, the appointment of Matt Hobbs, ex Wolves.

Identifying Igor as Guehi’s replacement. Astonishing. Due diligence should surely have revealed a player with a track record of injuries that hasn’t even been able to displace an aging Lewis Dunk from Brighton’s starting line up. If this has Matt Hobbs’s fingerprints on this deal then it doesn’t bode well for the future.

Losing out on Manor Soloman. I think he would have been a useful option from the bench. No world beater but has EPL experience.

Doing the majority of our business so late in the Window. Maybe partially explained in para 1 above. I’m not blaming the club 100% on this because they can’t fully control events. But I classify it as ‘ Bad ‘ because it’s not ideal to have to integrate players so late in the day.


THE UGLY

The whole Marc Guehi episode.

I’m not going to rehash known events. But instead consider the potential implications.

Relationship breakdown between Glasner and Parish. Already strained I think and now possibly beyond repair to the extent where Glasner will seek his fortune elsewhere at the end of his contract.

Relationship breakdown between Guehi and Parish. Parish went back on his word to let Marc go after the Villa game. Of course Parish has to put the club first but he should not have made any firm commitment to the player until a replacement had been confirmed.

Relationship between Guehi and Glasner. If Glasner really did threaten to walk, then he effectively scuppered Guehi’s move. How will Marc react to this ?

Of course it shouldn’t be forgotten that Guehi is still under contract to CPFC. Nothing has changed in that respect. And moves break down all the time. However, this one feels different. I hope that once his head has cleared Marc can resume being the consummate professional that he is while he is still a Palace player.


Conclusion

I suppose retaining Guehi could be considered as ‘ Good ‘. But not in the context of which it happened.

The transfer market is complex. It’s a minefield in which you can easily make expensive mistakes. With the players we have signed, it’s hard I think to evaluate how successful the Window was. We got the numbers, have we got the quality ?

I’m going with a rating of 6/10
 
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Finally some calm and common sense. Love it.
It's been a decent window in the end. Pino could be absolute mustard for us.
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I did say yesterday about 5PM can’t the Parish bashers at least wait until the window is shut? Mayhem, but our leader knows what he’s doing, he’s had enough experience now with transfer windows
And you’re right about Pino, just from that little cameo, he looks really sharp, quick of feet and mind 😎
 
NEILLO said:
Transfer Window Post Mortem time.

The Window is a particularly difficult time on HOL with a range of views and emotions. Largely fuelled by speculative digital ‘ journalists ‘ on clickbait sites. And supplemented by all of us on HOL, trying to navigate our way through what is fact and what is fiction. What is certain is that I don’t know of anyone, myself definitely included, that has any ‘ inside ‘ info on the financials of the club or the way in which transfer business is conducted. So it’s all about opinions - although I think some are more informed than others if that makes sense.
So, for what it's worth, this is my view. I said all along I would reserve ultimate judgment until the Window has closed which it now has.

THE GOOD

We bolstered the squad. Glasner’s requirements were for 4/5 more players and 5 were duly signed.
Benetiz - has a decent pedigree and will hopefully prove an able back up for Henderson
Borsa - has been given some game time already. He doesn’t look anything exceptional at the moment but again, a useful back up to Mitchell, a player that previously had no cover
Pinto - the pick of the bunch. Young but with good La Liga experience and a full Spanish international. A different type of player from Eze but a lot will be expected from him as a creative type of player
Canvot - one for the future. I don’t profess to know anything about him but the club have ( for us anyway ) made a hefty investment.
Uche - will provide attacking options, but as above, I can’t offer any prior knowledge in terms of his ability

We got market value for Eze

We finally got Edouard off of the payroll. Ultimately an expensive flop, he was never going to progress into the kind of player that Glasner required .

Franco Umah generated some Academy related revenue with his move to Portsmouth


THE BAD

Throughout the Window, I didn’t feel comfortable that Palace had adequately replaced Dougie Freedman. While he didn’t always get it right ( Franca ), more often than not he came up with the goods. My interpretation of events is that Parish left it to DF’s staff to oversee the transfers and that they came up short. Hence, late in the day, the appointment of Matt Hobbs, ex Wolves.

Identifying Igor as Guehi’s replacement. Astonishing. Due diligence should surely have revealed a player with a track record of injuries that hasn’t even been able to displace an aging Lewis Dunk from Brighton’s starting line up. If this has Matt Hobbs’s fingerprints on this deal then it doesn’t bode well for the future.

Losing out on Manor Soloman. I think he would have been a useful option from the bench. No world beater but has EPL experience.

Doing the majority of our business so late in the Window. Maybe partially explained in para 1 above. I’m not blaming the club 100% on this because they can’t fully control events. But I classify it as ‘ Bad ‘ because it’s not ideal to have to integrate players so late in the day.


THE UGLY

The whole Marc Guehi episode.

I’m not going to rehash known events. But instead consider the potential implications.

Relationship breakdown between Glasner and Parish. Already strained I think and now possibly beyond repair to the extent where Glasner will seek his fortune elsewhere at the end of his contract.

Relationship breakdown between Guehi and Parish. Parish went back on his word to let Marc go after the Villa game. Of course Parish has to put the club first but he should not have made any firm commitment to the player until a replacement had been confirmed.

Relationship between Guehi and Glasner. If Glasner really did threaten to walk, then he effectively scuppered Guehi’s move. How will Marc react to this ?

Of course it shouldn’t be forgotten that Guehi is still under contract to CPFC. Nothing has changed in that respect. And moves break down all the time. However, this one feels different. I hope that once his head has cleared Marc can resume being the consummate professional that he is while he is still a Palace player.


Conclusion

I suppose retaining Guehi could be considered as ‘ Good ‘. But not in the context of which it happened.

The transfer market is complex. It’s a minefield in which you can easily make expensive mistakes. With the players we have signed, it’s hard I think to evaluate how successful the Window was. We got the numbers, have we got the quality ?

I’m going with a rating of 6/10
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I think this is a fair summary.

I’m looking forward to seeing the three most recent signings who are all new players to me.
I’m hoping that Canvot can also cover the RWB position if necessary and that Uche can also cover the central striker role if JPM is substituted or injured.

The versatility of Lerma and Kamada helps and it seems that Canvot and Uche may also add this attribute too.
 
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