Immigration

[Rudi Hedman]

I wonder if there is a legal responsibility to place the UKs homeless in hotels or is it acceptable to have them on the streets?
And what is wrong with putting asylum seekers and illegal migrants in tent cities?
So seems to me that the UK government is putting asylum seekers above UK citizens.

They really are backing themselves into a corner.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Just clarify, I have spoken to some friends about this. Mobile phones are not automatically given but if the migrants ask ( or normally demand) one, the HO will source one for them. So, yes they are provided if required.
Personally I would tell them to make one out of a balloon 😂

Source one?

Don’t you mean they will refer them to a charity who recycle used phones?

That there are charities who do this is not, and has never been, disputed.

What is, and is now confirmed by you, is that they aren’t provided by the government as part of the standard package.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

But your TDS is ok even though it’s the USA and your nose is dug right in!
Like they say about the left. If you didn’t have double standards you would have none!

TDS being an imaginary condition invented by a corrupt President and parroted by those who continue to be fooled by him, that’s impossible.

 

[cryrst]

Source one?

Don’t you mean they will refer them to a charity who recycle used phones?

That there are charities who do this is not, and has never been, disputed.

What is, and is now confirmed by you, is that they aren’t provided by the government as part of the standard package.

They would have thought they mainly have their own which is also evidence of who they are but this soft hmg will not want to upset their uman rights by asking to look at them.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I wonder if there is a legal responsibility to place the UKs homeless in hotels or is it acceptable to have them on the streets?
And what is wrong with putting asylum seekers and illegal migrants in tent cities?
So seems to me that the UK government is putting asylum seekers above UK citizens.

There is a legal responsibility to house anyone who becomes unintentionally homeless or is in priority need. There isn’t though any right to compel those who are voluntarily homeless to accept housing. There is just a duty to offer help in finding accommodation.

Tent cities bring their own problems. They demand facilities to be provided, water, sanitation and waste disposal. Most of all they would be ok in the summer months, as an emergency provision, but not in the winter.

I have worked in the past for Shelterbox, a local charity who provide tents and equipment to areas around the world struck by disasters. When buildings have been destroyed these can provide emergency shelter for a month or two, but getting people into more substantial accommodation is always the priority.

So whilst it could help an unexpected surge during reasonable weather it’s not an answer to the underlying problem.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

They would have thought they mainly have their own which is also evidence of who they are but this soft hmg will not want to upset their uman rights by asking to look at them.

If anyone is going to try to conceal their identity then a phone gets dumped along with everything else.

I guess, but don’t know, that many who cross on the small boats have no interest in concealing their identity as they know their country of origin won’t accept their return unless it’s voluntary.

However, the people smugglers may well confiscate phones to avoid phone numbers being revealed.

So I doubt too many have one on arrival.

 

[Common Sense Club]

They would have thought they mainly have their own which is also evidence of who they are but this soft hmg will not want to upset their uman rights by asking to look at them.

Didn’t Patel try to confiscate their phones and was overruled by the legal brigade?

 

[Common Sense Club]

There is a legal responsibility to house anyone who becomes unintentionally homeless or is in priority need. There isn’t though any right to compel those who are voluntarily homeless to accept housing. There is just a duty to offer help in finding accommodation.

Tent cities bring their own problems. They demand facilities to be provided, water, sanitation and waste disposal. Most of all they would be ok in the summer months, as an emergency provision, but not in the winter.

I have worked in the past for Shelterbox, a local charity who provide tents and equipment to areas around the world struck by disasters. When buildings have been destroyed these can provide emergency shelter for a month or two, but getting people into more substantial accommodation is always the priority.

So whilst it could help an unexpected surge during reasonable weather it’s not an answer to the underlying problem.

Asylum seekers have chosen to be intentionally homeless!
They are quite happy to live in tent cities in France.
And the UK government is very quick at providing nightingale hospitals at short notice.

 

[georgenorman]

Source one?

Don’t you mean they will refer them to a charity who recycle used phones?

That there are charities who do this is not, and has never been, disputed.

What is, and is now confirmed by you, is that they aren’t provided by the government as part of the standard package.

Rather than giving them phones, any phones that they are in possession of should be confiscated.

 

[georgenorman]

There is a legal responsibility to house anyone who becomes unintentionally homeless or is in priority need. There isn’t though any right to compel those who are voluntarily homeless to accept housing. There is just a duty to offer help in finding accommodation.

Tent cities bring their own problems. They demand facilities to be provided, water, sanitation and waste disposal. Most of all they would be ok in the summer months, as an emergency provision, but not in the winter.

I have worked in the past for Shelterbox, a local charity who provide tents and equipment to areas around the world struck by disasters. When buildings have been destroyed these can provide emergency shelter for a month or two, but getting people into more substantial accommodation is always the priority.

So whilst it could help an unexpected surge during reasonable weather it’s not an answer to the underlying problem.

No accommodation or support of any description should be provided.

 

[Badger11]

No accommodation or support of any description should be provided.

I am hoping that a charity such as Shelter takes the government to court and says we want for the same for British people who are homeless.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Asylum seekers have chosen to be intentionally homeless!
They are quite happy to live in tent cities in France.
And the UK government is very quick at providing nightingale hospitals at short notice.

Asylum seekers are not British citizens so are covered by a different statute which reflects our international obligations. You might not like that and argue it should change but whilst it’s the law, it’s the law.

If their application succeeds then their status changes and they become responsible for their accommodation just as we are.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I am hoping that a charity such as Shelter takes the government to court and says we want for the same for British people who are homeless.

They won’t because we already are.

 

[Common Sense Club]

Asylum seekers are not British citizens so are covered by a different statute which reflects our international obligations. You might not like that and argue it should change but whilst it’s the law, it’s the law.

If their application succeeds then their status changes and they become responsible for their accommodation just as we are.

Good. I expect the Starmer government to bring international and domestic obligations to the same level by the end of the weekend. The people are not happy and he would be wise to remember that it is the British electorate that put him there and they may not wait until the next planned election to remove him.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Good. I expect the Starmer government to bring international and domestic obligations to the same level by the end of the weekend. The people are not happy and he would be wise to remember that it is the British electorate that put him there and they may not wait until the next planned election to remove him.

You might like Starmer to do a “Trump”, flourish his Sharpie and sign an executive order on emergency grounds but do you really want a potential dictator in Downing St, as well as in the White House?

Parliament enacts such changes after lengthy debate, amendments and scrutiny in the Lords. It takes time.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

Saw the first 'Raise the Flag' flags tonight in Old Coulsdon. An impressive sight. England flags. Hanging from a long row of street lights. On the road that links Coulsdon to Caterham on-the-hill.

Indeed an impressive sight. Best seen driving from Old Coulsdon to Caterham on-the-hill direction.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

 

[Rudi Hedman]

The mini roundabouts in Caterham on-the-hill were painted with the St George’s cross a few years ago. Might have been the football or just why not.

 

[beak]

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Looks like you might get a date there! 😆

 

[Rudi Hedman]

Looks like you might get a date there! 😆

I consider them weird and always will do. Along with all the blue and purple hair freaks.