Yeremy Pino

[Boydie]

Pino is a very good winger, he played very wide, skipping past defenders and crossing, think of John Salako, Eddie McGoldrick, Alan Irvine, all good wingers, see how they would get on playing the number 10 role, inside all game.

I noted yesterday that I think our first proper cross went into the box on 44mins!

All of the training videos I watch on YouTube contain drills on finishing from crosses - but we seem to put so few into the box during games that it must be an OG tactic not to??

I wonder if this will change now we have JSL - or will it change with a new manager 🤔

 

[JHB]

I noted yesterday that I think our first proper cross went into the box on 44mins!

All of the training videos I watch on YouTube contain drills on finishing from crosses - but we seem to put so few into the box during games that it must be an OG tactic not to??

I wonder if this will change now we have JSL - or will it change with a new manager 🤔

Glasner and his system treats even the number 10s as primarily defensive players whose job is to hold shape, defend from the front, press and cover back. No issue with that on its own but he wants defensive forwards not attackers running into space. All the attacking threat supposed to come from the wing backs breaking beyond the number 10s. It was noticeable that Johnson looked much brighter yesterday in a 4-4-2 as a sub with an explicit attacking remit

 

[MrRobbo]

I don't think anyone is saying they don't hope it works out, but surely there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that 35 appearances into his Palace career, he's been incredibly underwhelming (and that's putting it kindly).

Do we just pretend he's been good because he's relatively new to the club? He's not exactly being booed or abused at the ground. Some minor criticism on a forum seems about right to me.

I don't get your expectation.

For me its more about trying to focus on the positive, rather than always looking for the negative and writing players off. There is very little balance on this forum.

For example, the failed lob early on. Granted it was a pretty poor effort, but the fact that he busted a gut the close the CB down and force the error is, IMO more positive than the miss was bad.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

For me its more about trying to focus on the positive, rather than always looking for the negative and writing players off. There is very little balance on this forum.

For example, the failed lob early on. Granted it was a pretty poor effort, but the fact that he busted a gut the close the CB down and force the error is, IMO more positive than the miss was bad.

Fair enough - I don't think Pino gave us much positive to focus on yesterday at all.

I think that's hugely generous re the lob - he completed a pretty standard sprint for 5 yards to press the ball and then dreadfully executed a pretty simple finish.

 

[Houston Eagle]

General comment is underwhelming and should be on the bench.

BUT we need a player in that position (Eze/Olise) who looks for the ball and tries to create something. In that respect he has tried to fulfill his job role. BADLY.

I suspect the vision was we had the next David or Bernardo Silva on our books. Highly unlikely from current evidence but you never know.

 

[PatrickA]

Fair enough - I don't think Pino gave us much positive to focus on yesterday at all.

I think that's hugely generous re the lob - he completed a pretty standard sprint for 5 yards to press the ball and then dreadfully executed a pretty simple finish.

I agree.
Hoping and wishing is fine, but at the end of the day the player has to show that he’s capable.
Pino produced a memorable cameo when he came on as a substitute in his debut appearance away at Villa.
One of his first actions was to sway away from two Villa defenders and play a clever pass through to Lerma who almost scored.
He also beat a player in a European game to set up Nketiah for a goal.
Other those occasions I’ve never seen him dribble past a player.
He has a short stride and no great pace to get away from a defender even if he sidesteps them.
He has little in the way of a left foot and can’t go on the outside meaning he continually cuts inside and plays square passes into midfield which are intercepted or is dispossessed.

On the positive side he never hides and always wants the ball.
He makes some clever runs and is a game competitor.
He has a decent first touch on the ball.
There is something there , but not in the position that he is employed in by Glasner.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

General comment is underwhelming and should be on the bench.

BUT we need a player in that position (Eze/Olise) who looks for the ball and tries to create something. In that respect he has tried to fulfill his job role. BADLY.

I suspect the vision was we had the next David or Bernardo Silva on our books. Highly unlikely from current evidence but you never know.

or change the system to fit the players, radical i know.

 

[madcap_v2]

He's had a few stinkers recently but needs time to adjust to be consistently good.

I don't recall anyone slating him in the first half of the season when we were in the top 4 and he must be half good to get into the Spain squad...

 

[Willo]

He's had a few stinkers recently but needs time to adjust to be consistently good.

I don't recall anyone slating him in the first half of the season when we were in the top 4 and he must be half good to get into the Spain squad...

He has made 19 appearances over a 5 year period.
I am not furnished with knowledge as to where he has been deployed in the Spain team.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

He has made 19 appearances over a 5 year period.
I am not furnished with knowledge as to where he has been deployed in the Spain team.

Because he did his ACL in 2023 and missed a huge amount of football - he's a regular in their squad when he's fit.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

He's had a few stinkers recently but needs time to adjust to be consistently good.

I don't recall anyone slating him in the first half of the season when we were in the top 4 and he must be half good to get into the Spain squad...

Does anyone make it to the Premier League without being a good player? Some are better than others but they're all good. Anyone who doubts it should try and play against someone regarded as not much cop.

 

[beak]

Does anyone make it to the Premier League without being a good player? Some are better than others but they're all good. Anyone who doubts it should try and play against someone regarded as not much cop.

I will have to adjust my view now that you have explained that they are a band of celestial angels. 😎

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I will have to adjust my view that that you have explained that they are a band of celestial angels. 😎

Especially Southampton players.

 

[beak]

Especially Southampton players.

James Ward Prowse doesn't spring to mind easily.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

James Ward Prowse doesn't spring to mind easily.

He does in a lot of cases.

 

[beak]

He does in a lot of cases.

Angelic?

 

[est1905]

For me its more about trying to focus on the positive, rather than always looking for the negative and writing players off. There is very little balance on this forum.

For example, the failed lob early on. Granted it was a pretty poor effort, but the fact that he busted a gut the close the CB down and force the error is, IMO more positive than the miss was bad.

Agree,

I just dont see what people's problem is with Pino. He's clearly talented but still very young and still adapting to a fierce league. Give the guy a break. We have other players on the pitch with less talent that dont get the grief he does

 

[waterfordpal]

I noted yesterday that I think our first proper cross went into the box on 44mins!

All of the training videos I watch on YouTube contain drills on finishing from crosses - but we seem to put so few into the box during games that it must be an OG tactic not to??

I wonder if this will change now we have JSL - or will it change with a new manager 🤔

It really annoys me when Mitchel gets the ball wide and instead of whipping in a quick cross he just turns back and passes to the nearest player often the centre back who then plays it across to the next centre back and our forwards are left wondering what happened to the cross. And now Munoz has come back he’s doing the same. Both need to go back in a 442 and get proper wingers crossing the ball.

 

[park the bus]

It's a team game, and to be a successful team the players have to be on the same wavelength, executing the overall tactical plan. The players have also to show willing and work hard. Currently the players are not on the same wavelength and the tactical plan of the manager is to be consigned to the bin.
Pino, to his credit, shows willing. I much prefer this as a trait compared to Wharton, who just strolls around knocking aimless balls forward as if it's a hot potato. I don't know what happened to him, he's really lost form, but then again it all goes back to being on the same wavelength and this team look like a bunch of strangers, not sure about what they are meant to be doing, so confusing are the mixed messages that have come from the manager.
I hold out hope that Pino will come good, and a new manager will get the team performing as a team again. Things have their moment in the limelight and then are gone, Glasner's brief moment of glory being just one example.

 

[Eaglecoops]

or change the system to fit the players, radical i know.

Yep.

I’ve been thinking about our misfiring players and have to say that the vast majority are not playing in positions that suit their strengths. Without going into great detail it is patently obvious that Pino should be in midfield or out wide and both Kamada and Wharton would benefit from the additional time on the ball given by playing in a midfield 3 as opposed to a 2. Strand Larsen looks like he would benefit from a strike partner playing off him (Guessand or Nketiah) and perhaps we can get our wide players playing in wide positions and our defenders defending. All radical concepts I agree.