Who is our set piece coach?

[Willo]

True, but even in one for one 'man marking' the oppo aren't going to put all 10 of their outfield players in the box. so do we need all 10 of ours?

Depending on tactics, the team attacking at a corner can position 7 players in the '6-yard box' crowding the goalkeeper and of course the defending team have to counter this threat.
Finally I have witnessed teams leaving no player up front and defending with 10 outfield players in the box.

 

[Palacesince64]

These set pieces are also an opportunity to break from defence. Leaving 2 or 3 players on the edge of the box then asks a question of the attacking team. We need to create room in the six yard box for our keeper to collect the ball or a centre back to head it clear. A crowded 6 yard box favours the attacking team.

 

[Willo]

These set pieces are also an opportunity to break from defence. Leaving 2 or 3 players on the edge of the box then asks a question of the attacking team. We need to create room in the six yard box for our keeper to collect the ball or a centre back to head it clear. A crowded 6 yard box favours the attacking team.

I totally understand your sentiments, however if the attacking team at corners decides to crowd the goalkeeper the defending team has to organise accordingly.

 

[VinceHilaire]

In my old days of playing football, it was the goalkeeper’s responsibility to ‘scream’ at us who should mark who and what areas on the goal line he wants covered (front/back post etc.).

This way, you wouldn’t get a mismatch situation - ie …someone small trying to beat a tall player to the ball.

Perhaps….my thinking is just too old fashioned these days 🙈

 

[NMPalace]

With every team adopting this Arsenal approach to set pieces it’s not possible to man mark players who are bunched at the back post. You have to have players at both posts who concentrate on attacking the ball and either a keeper who is prepared to come for it or a centre back who can head. We currently have none of the above without Sarr, Munoz, and Richards. Consequently balls into the box are a lottery and provide second ball tap ins for opposing strikers.

stop justifying it. We are a Prem league club defending like a schoolboy team. We have 3 CB and a tall CF so we have four 6 ft plus players plus the England No 2 keeper.

We should be better , both in defending and also when we have attacking set pieces.

The last few games it is the same zonal set up with Mateta bizarrely placed on the near post. Clearly it is not working.

 

[mtp1958]

why is it always defensive error rather than a well executed set piece , the corners by Newcastle were very good , when we was scoring from throw ins everyone was say how wonderful our set pieces are , not poor defending , cant have it both ways

 

[NMPalace]

why is it always defensive error rather than a well executed set piece , the corners by Newcastle were very good , when we was scoring from throw ins everyone was say how wonderful our set pieces are , not poor defending , cant have it both ways

well the first goal was from a 2nd phase where the Palace defence sat deep and then Johnson switched off at the back post allowing Miley to head across goal.

The 2nd was clearly a mistake by Hendo as he weakly flapped at a chest height ball instead of catching it.

You can have both a good cross that is badly defended, so you can have it both ways. I think Sunday was a perfect example of this.

 

[Canterbury Palace]

I think it boils down to a lack of days able to train. Feels like we've been playing every 3/4 days for about 2 months now.

Fully expect us to lose to Villa tomorrow but then, hopefully we can actually let the players recover and work on some stuff before the next league game.

 

[Willo]

well the first goal was from a 2nd phase where the Palace defence sat deep and then Johnson switched off at the back post allowing Miley to head across goal.

The 2nd was clearly a mistake by Hendo as he weakly flapped at a chest height ball instead of catching it.

You can have both a good cross that is badly defended, so you can have it both ways. I think Sunday was a perfect example of this.

Hughes was marking Miley initially but when the ball was headed out Miley moved towards the right, Hughes stayed centrally but pointed to Miley alerting teammates to the danger. Miley managed to get to the ball before Johnson.
Quite why Hughes stayed centrally and never followed Miley is a question I cannot answer.

 

[Palacesince64]

stop justifying it. We are a Prem league club defending like a schoolboy team. We have 3 CB and a tall CF so we have four 6 ft plus players plus the England No 2 keeper.

We should be better , both in defending and also when we have attacking set pieces.

The last few games it is the same zonal set up with Mateta bizarrely placed on the near post. Clearly it is not working.

I don’t disagree with you and I’m not excusing the current players. The current CBs and our CF have been woeful at set piece defending but the reality is when the three missing players were there we defended better. Mateta is useless at the front post unless the corner is miss hit. He invariably fails to get a head on it. He was much better in the mix when his sheer bulk helped prevent attacking players getting a header in or blocking our keeper. Sarr was more effective at front post headers.
Guehi is more effective in the opposition box as is Max and Lerma is no Richards. Munoz was always thereabouts for second balls.

 

[Croydon Sunset]

This IMO is the crux of our problem in recent weeks/months. Yes we have been visibly tired with the number of matches, yes Mateta is misfiring and possibly carrying an injury but we have conceded too many goals from set pieces making it too high a hill to climb to get bank into the games. As someone else mentioned we are otherwise defensively strong so opponents are focusing on set pieces as our weakness to exploit. I think I saw a video with OG saying that this was a key issue and that it was his problem to find a solution.

 

[beak]

Surely the buck stops with Glasner.

 

[doombear]

Surely the buck stops with Glasner.

...which he admits. He's not blaming anyone else. He knows he has to try and find a way with the limited resources at his disposal until he gets some of our key players back.

 

[JHB]

...which he admits. He's not blaming anyone else. He knows he has to try and find a way with the limited resources at his disposal until he gets some of our key players back.

Which is why it is frustrating he sticks to the same rigid plan regardless. With OG the highs are very high but the lows are very low. When it is going well we play brilliantly but when it isn’t he hasn’t shown an ability for his team to grind out results.

 

[ASCPFC]

Which is why it is frustrating he sticks to the same rigid plan regardless. With OG the highs are very high but the lows are very low. When it is going well we play brilliantly but when it isn’t he hasn’t shown an ability for his team to grind out results.

We don't seem to grind out results which is a decent point. Nearly every game we've won we've clearly deserved to win. We did grind out the FA Cup final in fairness.

 

[Uphill]

Slightly off topic but still relevant.

Have you noticed how Mitchell struggles with throw-ins?
Often he has no options and waits, and waits but nobody seems to take position or move into space?
Lately he has been forced to throw long only to see it intercepted each time.

Another one for the set piece coach to get his (or her) teeth in, if we have one.

 

[CrazyBadger]

I've got another tactical masterclass to go with my other freekick idea of "put the wall on the goal line, and goalie 10 yards away where the wall should be".

... and Granted this will only work against Arsenal and their stupid back post tactics.....
Just form a unbreakable 'wall' - complete with interlocking elbows. Arching from back post to Penalty spot and don't let any fecker through. that'll show em.

 

[mtp1958]

well the first goal was from a 2nd phase where the Palace defence sat deep and then Johnson switched off at the back post allowing Miley to head across goal.

The 2nd was clearly a mistake by Hendo as he weakly flapped at a chest height ball instead of catching it.

You can have both a good cross that is badly defended, so you can have it both ways. I think Sunday was a perfect example of this.

how is he meant to catch that he was crowded by players you must have been a very exceptional goal keeper in your day , and the first goal was caused by a good corner to start with yes hughes did point to the player and johnson was ball watching , but the corner caused the confusion to start with , so makes it a good corner , wish we had players who could take corners like that

 

[NMPalace]

how is he meant to catch that he was crowded by players you must have been a very exceptional goal keeper in your day , and the first goal was caused by a good corner to start with yes hughes did point to the player and johnson was ball watching , but the corner caused the confusion to start with , so makes it a good corner , wish we had players who could take corners like that

FFS - yes i was an international goalie earning £100k a week, obviously.

As i said earlier Hendo is a good goalie but not beyond criticism.

Stop making excuses.

A good cross/corner can also be badly defended as we are regularly proving ATM

 

[ASCPFC]

FFS - yes i was an international goalie earning £100k a week, obviously.

As i said earlier Hendo is a good goalie but not beyond criticism.

Stop making excuses.

A good cross/corner can also be badly defended as we are regularly proving ATM

Never admit to being Onana.