Right.
They've provably covered up paedophiles and rape gangs for decades (including murders).
But they wouldn't go that far. Got it.
Lanzo pointed out that they are riddled with masons. They are also riddled with intelligence operatives.
Which conspiracy theories do you believe?
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Right.
They've provably covered up paedophiles and rape gangs for decades (including murders).
But they wouldn't go that far. Got it.
Lanzo pointed out that they are riddled with masons. They are also riddled with intelligence operatives.
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If we are going to reduce that topic down to a sentence we can say that obviously they did what they did for self interest.
What would be their interest in covering up for the Bush administration?
Ok.....Are the Masons ok with mass murder then?
Again, where are the Wikileaks? Or are they in on it too?
Is it Masons all the way down?
Intelligence fore-knowledge I can accept (how much and how extensive I don't know).....because evidence actually exists for it.
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Eh?
We've all watched them with our own eyes collapse completely into their own footprints, with all four corners collapsing simultaneously. Other buildings that have collapsed elsewhere have collapsed on one side first.
Building 7 was a different design to the twin towers, but collapsed in the same manner.
The twin towers were specifically designed to withstand the impact of a jetliner.
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So you watched the towers collapse and you think that's freefall? Seriously?
Internal structures mean freefall only happens shortly at the beginning before crap hits other crap.....dude come on.
As for 'completely into their own footprints'.....why do you write this stuff. Even on its own the amount of damage caused to buildings near it should call BS on that....but you obviously believe it.
Here is a photo of the area on September 17th showing the extensive debris field and heavy damage to surrounding buildings. Does that look like completely into their own footprints to you?
Structural engineer Leslie E. Robertson (and the design team) explicitly analyzed the scenario of a Boeing 707 (the largest passenger jet in service when the towers were designed in the 1960s) striking the building.....and that, to quote, 'and would result in only local damage which could not cause collapse or substantial damage to the building and would not endanger the lives and safety of occupants not in the immediate area of impact'.
The actual aircraft on 9/11 were Boeing 767s, which were larger and heavier (roughly 20% bigger) than a 707. Their high impact speeds delivered significantly more energy (Robertson later estimated 3–6 times what had been considered). The planes also stripped fireproofing from steel and ignited intense, widespread fires that burned for about an hour, which the original design did not fully account for.
I meant they collapsed fully vertically - which they undeniably did.
Obviously, buildings that size are going to produce a lot of dust and debris (We've all seen the dust cloud images), even with the main structure collapsing vertically into its own footprint.
And, obviously there will be damage and debris spreading across a wider area at ground level.
But a completely organic collapse of any tower would typically lean one way high up from the point of impact, and from where the first structural collapse takes place.
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Didn't that figure come from a sign up that didn't require you to be an architect nor an engineer and didn't investigate whether most of those signing up were who they said they were.
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The collapses were mostly vertical, but not perfectly so, and the debris field was not confined to the footprints.
Large sections of facade and steel were ejected outward, the debris field covered far more than the original footprints (see the aerial photos and FEMA maps), and multiple buildings were heavily damaged by flying debris.
Significant sections of the exterior peeled outward and fell away from the towers. Multi-story pieces of the perimeter columns were found hundreds of feet away.
Surrounding buildings (Verizon Building, Deutsche Bank, WTC 3/4/5/6, etc.) suffered heavy structural damage from ejected debris. Aerial photos and FEMA documentation show the debris field covering roughly 16 acres—far larger than the combined footprints of the two towers.
A progressive collapse driven by the falling upper mass does not require a dramatic lean and topple; once enough floors lose capacity, the structure can fail downward with relatively little lateral tipping, especially in a building that is mostly air. That’s exactly what the engineering analyses describe.
For WTC 7 the rubble pile was also not strictly limited to its footprint; debris damaged adjacent structures (notably the Verizon Building).
If Epstein was still alive, we could ask him, he had a Freemasons temple on his island, look on wiki, they have a list of well known members, In Florence in the 80s, a sect of freemason murdered 33 people, "the Untouchables" Michele Giuttari the detective who reopened the case in 1995, called them, but hit one brick wall after another, Professor Francessco Narducci who was murdered even had his Freemasons apron on under his clothes, these are not conspiracy, it is fact, and accepted, it is now illegal to become a Freemason in Italy without informing the Police in the region you live.
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Epstein had a weird striped building on the island that he called a mosque and filled with Islamic artifacts—not a Freemason temple.
There’s no solid evidence he was a Mason or that it was used for Masonic anything.The Florence/Monster of Florence case is real and ugly, and Giuttari did pursue theories involving Narducci, esoteric groups, and possible Masonic links. Those higher-level conspiracy claims never stuck with hard proof or convictions; the case remains messy and contested, not settled ‘accepted fact’ of a Freemason sect murdering dozens.
Italy tightened rules on secret associations that interfere with the state after the actual P2 scandal. Regular Freemasonry isn’t illegal, and there’s no general ‘must inform the police to join’ rule.
Prominent people have been Masons—that’s public. Some lodges or individuals have been corrupt or criminal. That still doesn’t make ‘the Masons’ a unified power that signed off on mass murder on 9/11, or explain the lack of Wikileaks-style documents if they supposedly run everything. Local scandals and eccentric rich guys don’t equal global orchestration. Intelligence failures/foreknowledge have evidence trails; this doesn’t.
We all know who runs everything...
It's Sally down the Post Office.
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Great Replacement conspiracy theory - Wikipedia
The conspiracy above has been widely debunked as the insane ravings of a lunatic. Notwithstanding the ton of evidence. Evidence that is being ignored as merely 'the evidence of your own eyes'. Big Brother is alive and well in 1984.
Well you done very well there, at least four things completely wrong, i have spoke to Giuttari and to representatives of Mario Spezi another theorist, you might know more than me above everything, but you know nothing about the Monster of Florence case, just what the media has told you, Giuttari knew exactly what happened, the chief prosecutor was in the sect, i have visited Florence many times, stayed there for weeks, Giuttari had two car bomb attempts on his life, he never had any attack on him on his previous post, in charge of investigations into the Mafia, he resigned and retired through frustration, he has written 6 novels, one of which was the crime with other names and made many speeches and wrote many books on policing, even you cant think you know more than him.
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Well, there is what we know and then there is the truth.
It's not exclusively always the same....just usually.
So I'll give you that.
Thank you, i tried to write a book about it but nobody wanted to publish it, too similar, i am not the best at composition or grammar, lack of education, but this subject took be over for a couple of years, bit too passionate about it, best wishes.
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You are welcome, nothing wrong with saying what you think.
If you watch a video of any controlled demolition, there is always some dust and debris scattered sideways, even if the main structure falls in on itself vertically.
This is from actual engineers (rather than 2026 censored AI) and explains the problem with the collapse on 9/11
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Meanwhile back on planet reality.