Where do we go from here?

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Assuming Sage is done where do people think we go from here?

I think we need to bring in a proven fire fighter now who can bring back some basic organisation to our play. We also need to build around a core of decent professionals and focus on being awkward to play against. It won’t be exciting but it might keep us up.

For me I’d go to a 4-5-1 formation. Back four of Mitchell, Lerma, Richards, ????? Midfield of Kamada, Wharton, Timber with Wharton sat a bit deeper. McNeil on the left, Sarr on the right if right in attitude, If not then take your pick from Osorio or Pino. JPM up front with JSL as a rotation option. Be basic focus on getting crosses in and trying to be solid.
 
The championship.

We won't be changing formations unless we get a new manager in in my opinion.

We need to go back to everyone behind the ball. Pick up a few 0-0s and scrappy 1-0 wins off the backside of an opposition defender and then regroup.

Also hack off Europe.
 
The championship.

We won't be changing formations unless we get a new manager in in my opinion.

We need to go back to everyone behind the ball. Pick up a few 0-0s and scrappy 1-0 wins off the backside of an opposition defender and then regroup.

Also hack off Europe.
You are right which is n fact one reason we absolutely should get a new manager
 
No matter somebody's resume, skill or character, it's not going to be pleasant behind the scenes with a start like that.
We're all willing to give Sage time but we havnt seen any improvement or even attempts at improving the issues, twelve ( ? ) games in and it's exactly the same as it was on day one.

Reluctantly I would say replace with somebody like Howe who is going to play more structured football and simply make sure people are doing their jobs correctly. Frank for example can't be expected to do that.

Stop the leaky defence, tread water til December, fire Hobbs, sign a leader for the defence, creep up the table.

Oh and send me a million quid.
 
Need to act fast as sage is not a prem manager likeable enough but not good enough blame parish and the board for hiring him and selling our best defender
Thomas Frank has worked with small funds and done well in the past or Eddie Howe but I don’t think they will be interested in us
 
I’d add to this. We now need to focus almost exclusively on premier league survival. Take a leaf out it Besiktas’ book who made 9 changes to play us. We need to have an eleven for Europe and keep our best (it’s all relative) eleven for league games. Let’s us see if any of the new signings can show they have anything to offer.

Even good teams struggle with the Thursday /Sunday routine. We are not a good team.
 
No matter somebody's resume, skill or character, it's not going to be pleasant behind the scenes with a start like that.
We're all willing to give Sage time but we havnt seen any improvement or even attempts at improving the issues, twelve ( ? ) games in and it's exactly the same as it was on day one.

Reluctantly I would say replace with somebody like Howe who is going to play more structured football and simply make sure people are doing their jobs correctly. Frank for example can't be expected to do that.

Stop the leaky defence, tread water til December, fire Hobbs, sign a leader for the defence, creep up the table.

Oh and send me a million quid.
There is no way Howe will take on the job. He sees himself as a manager born of the future, not an a&e nurse like Dyche and Pullis.
 
I expect they are sounding out a few managers (on the quiet 🤫)
Will give Sage until the international break, then make a decision.
I base this on nothing, other than what I reckon.
They may have already sacked him, or offered him a contract extension ,for all I know.
 
It's a repeat of the West Ham scenario after they won the Conference, and we haven't learnt anything from their experience or indeed any other side ill equipped for a battle on two fronts.
Pre season I mentioned that we would struggle this season, based on a string of poor results leaving us to finish in 15th place, a woeful pre season, and confirmed by the loss of stalwart defenders and replacement by a patchwork of cheapo frees, loans and sick notes. Not the sort of thing required for a tough and competitive new season with manager of zero Premiership experience at the helm. The lesson has indeed been harsh and Sage refuses to learn it. Parish & Co need to take note also and realise that they had ample time since Glasner announced his departure to correctly plan for this current season. They failed miserably and this where we are. It's now or never for a change otherwise I predict relegation, as happened to West Ham.
 
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Sage is not likely to avoid relegation, the team look lost at times because they are , they havent got the quality to be otherwise. You should defend from the front , showing some grit and character, and we dont. No team can ship goals the way we do. Only an experienced defence minded manager will give us a chance. Only time will tell if even that style of play can be mastered by this set ofplayers.
 
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Assuming Sage is done where do people think we go from here?

I think we need to bring in a proven fire fighter now who can bring back some basic organisation to our play. We also need to build around a core of decent professionals and focus on being awkward to play against. It won’t be exciting but it might keep us up.

For me I’d go to a 4-5-1 formation. Back four of Mitchell, Lerma, Richards, ????? Midfield of Kamada, Wharton, Timber with Wharton sat a bit deeper. McNeil on the left, Sarr on the right if right in attitude, If not then take your pick from Osorio or Pino. JPM up front with JSL as a rotation option. Be basic focus on getting crosses in and trying to be solid.
If Sage does go I think two things need to happen.

Firstly, the right replacement. At times, the problem has seemed to be that Sage wants to press high and be on the front foot. The natural instinct becomes to appoint a replacement with a more defensive, pragmatic approach.

I'm not sure that's right. We are defending terribly quite often, but also increasingly using the ball badly, and threatening to score less and less. I have started to think it's not the nature of Sage's approach that's failing us. It's the quality of his work.

By extension, I don't think we necessarily need to get, to use obvious examples, a Dyche-type but avoid a Howe-type. I think the quality of the new manager's work is more important than his tactical preference. That's what players respond to most. Especially when it they detect it's absence.

Of course, we need an approach to suit the attributes and quality of the squad (such as they are) but I don't think that's absolutely got to be a defensive pragmatist.

Secondly, there needs to be a serious realignment between the financial needs of the business, the mindset in the squad, and the way the manager works.

It's a fact that we need to sell players at a profit to have a transfer budget. It's also a fact that we can only make serious profit on cheaper young hopefuls or academy graduates. There will always be that conveyor belt.

At the same time, we have mostly stayed up this long because of having a constant core of experienced, decent senior pros, from the originals like Delaney and Jedinak to the likes of McArthur, Dann, on to Hughes, Ayew, and so on.

At any one time, the lions share of the first team were good enough to keep us safe, but not so good as to have serious aspirations of moving to a bigger club. I know they lacked sell on value but the group mindset was one where everyone fights and does a proper job for Palace, because that's the best career and life option for them all.

Having a squad full of developing, saleable assets is fine when they are all on the way up, but once they bloom they all want to go. That means the second tier of players, like Mateta and Sarr, don't want to be left behind. The core is no longer Palace-focussed.

The squad needs to be two-thirds settled, senior pros, then the final third a mix of a couple of stars we can sell and hopefuls who might develop into stars. We've got the percentages all wrong and the culture seems to have suffered for it. The club and manager must be on the same page with this. It must be reflected in the team sheet as well as the transfer market.
 
Sage is not likely to avoid relegation, the team look lost at times because they are , they havent got the quality to be otherwise. You should defend from the front , showing some grit and character, and we dont. No team can ship goals the way we do. Only an experienced defence minded manager will give us a chance. Only time will tell if even that style of play can be mastered by this set ofplayers.
Agreed!
 
The expected angst.
I don't believe that to sack the manager is the right thing to do. At times like this it's the easy thing to do. There's a difference.
Likely replacements? Frank is available, I suppose. Would he be any better? Well, he has Premiership experience. We are more like Brentford than Spurs, only not as good as the former. So the fit might be right. The most obvious problem is that the defence still plays as if it has only recently been introduced. And there are no leaders out there. There's clearly an issue with Sarr and Mateta.
I'm not sure we are not a Championship team in the making. If we won twice as many games in the season as we do now that would be fine. The Premiership is such bloody hard work. The last two seasons have been surreal and anybody who was at Wembley that May day in 2025 will never forget it. But that night the manager and half the team decided that they were too good for Palace.

It feels like imposter syndrome. I've watched the team since 1965 and it's good to be out of the old division three. But I feel that although this is probably the strongest squad we've ever had, it doesn't have the buzz that the 'Team of the Eighties' under Venables did. Not least because half that team was home grown, winning the Youth Cup two seasons running. Nicholas, Samson, Gilbert, Hilaire, Murphy were very special players. Also, for the sake of perspective, let's see if we can ever achieve what Steve Coppell did with the team that finished the season third in the top flight. Many of the posters on this site weren't born then. That's not something they can do anything about, but the sense of entitlement that from time to time takes root in this forum is, well, unhistorical.
 

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