War in Ukraine

[beak]

You're basically a web bot spammer.

Was ignored awhile ago. 👍

 

[McAhuna]

When I hear this I just wish Hitler would've held onto Sudetenland and whatever else they said was traditionally theirs. No doubt you are happy to take EU coin, prosperity and freedom whilst denying other countries.

Sponging bastards.

🤣
Psst ....The Sudetenland is not in Slovakia

 

[McAhuna]

Was ignored awhile ago. 👍

But of course.
All your information must be spoon-fed to you by a mainstream establishment source.
Anything else may short-circuit your NPC normie brain and cause irreparable damage.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Financial Times: The European Commission believes Ukraine will need at least another 10-15 years to meet the requirements for EU accession.

Meanwhile, there is still no consensus within the bloc on the timing and conditions of Ukraine's potential accession.

Meanwhile in Ukraine, the media and government have completely sold the EU to its people as a solution to their poverty and polling shows that more than 60% of Ukrainians believe the country will prosper as part of the European Union in 10 years.

Even if that happened where's that money coming from?

The people who led us down this path suffer no consequences but a lot of people are far more poorer because of it. This was additional cost that could have been avoided.

We have poor elites and they rely upon an easily distracted and ignorant population to get away with their failures.....All while they make bank on money they don't really deserve because of the decline they produce.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

why are all my media telling me : Ukraine War good, Iran War bad ?

 

[Stirlingsays]

why are all my media telling me : Ukraine War good, Iran War bad ?

Because while so many still think we live in free societies the reality is that our media is nearly as controlled by our government/security and intelligence services as any of the nations we regard as enemies. Some things they allow the media free reign on, others much less.

They use the media and selected outlets to pump out propaganda.

 

[McAhuna]

Because while so many still think we live in free societies the reality is that our media is nearly as controlled by our government/security and intelligence services as any of the nations we regard as enemies. Some things they allow the media free reign on, others much less.

They use the media and selected outlets to pump out propaganda.

I would say it's now worse here.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I would say it's now worse here.
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It's completely politically biased.

The state lie about where real threats come from, they refuse entry to right wing personalities and influences, yet they have allowed countless thousands of people entry into the country from dangerous third world countries, housed them, fed them, give them free medical treatment and don't punish them for this breaking of our laws.....then they get the chance of a review to live here with their representation all paid for.

For years and years.

They have been allowing Islamic hate preachers to come here and give addresses in Mosques for as long as they were wanted.....Very few are banned.

Yes, in some ways we are worse than the countries we demonise.

 

[Spiderman]

Wissie incoming

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Financial Times: The European Commission believes Ukraine will need at least another 10-15 years to meet the requirements for EU accession.

Meanwhile, there is still no consensus within the bloc on the timing and conditions of Ukraine's potential accession.

Meanwhile in Ukraine, the media and government have completely sold the EU to its people as a solution to their poverty and polling shows that more than 60% of Ukrainians believe the country will prosper as part of the European Union in 10 years.

Even if that happened where's that money coming from?

The people who led us down this path suffer no consequences but a lot of people are far more poorer because of it. This was additional cost that could have been avoided.

We have poor elites and they rely upon an easily distracted and ignorant population to get away with their failures.....All while they make bank on money they don't really deserve because of the decline they produce.

Eventual accession by Ukraine cannot be viewed solely in economic terms. For sure there will be costs to rebuild infrastructure and manufacturing capacity but there will also be significant benefits in food, fertiliser and energy security, along with access to important mineral resources. If nothing else has been made obvious in recent times security of supply is an important resource.

On balance Ukraine joining the EU would be a benefit to both parties. Us to if we summon up the nous to get reassociated!

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Wissie incoming

Always happy to help!

 

[PalazioVecchio]

They have been allowing Islamic hate preachers to come here and give addresses in Mosques for as long as they were wanted.....Very few are banned.

Yes, in some ways we are worse than the countries we demonise.

Graham Lenihan had a valid opinion on all the Trans madness. And he was escorted off an airplane by 4 armed coppers. This was a non UK citizen being bullied for something he wrote in another country. So where, even, was the jurisdiction ?

 

[McAhuna]

It's completely politically biased.

The state lie about where real threats come from, they refuse entry to right wing personalities and influences, yet they have allowed countless thousands of people entry into the country from dangerous third world countries, housed them, fed them, give them free medical treatment and don't punish them for this breaking of our laws.....then they get the chance of a review to live here with their representation all paid for.

For years and years.

They have been allowing Islamic hate preachers to come here and give addresses in Mosques for as long as they were wanted.....Very few are banned.

Yes, in some ways we are worse than the countries we demonise.

Putting politics aside, what has become clear over the last few years is that we are infested with the absolute worst order-obeying, brainwashed weasels.

Many of them no doubt, read history of the 1930s and tell themselves 'There is no way I would have been like that, there is no way I would have betrayed my Jewish neighbour and burnt books'. But they would have been exactly like that! They are like that now ffs.

Witness the total demonisation of those who opposed lockdowns and vaccines, many of whom were snitched on, spied on, had the reputations trashed and/or lost their jobs.
Similar trends have been seen with climate change, gender ideology, pro-Palestine, anti-immigration.

Back on-topic, even daring to point out the inconvenient facts that Ukraine is a an international hub of Neo-Nazis, Child-Trafficking and Biolabs is another 1984ist banned topic.

I don't believe all those thought-speech banned topics sit neatly on a political axis, nor is the right/left aspect the defining factor (many are simply opposing the influence of multinational corporations and their agendas).
However, I agree that the traditional conservatives have definitely been massively targeted for what amounts to little more than opposing government policy and law-breaking.

Anyone, on the traditional left or the right, should be massively concerned by free-speech impositions. Unfortunately, many are simply too thick, or too self-interested, to comprehend the implications.

 

[McAhuna]

Graham Lenihan had a valid opinion on all the Trans madness. And he was escorted off an airplane by 4 armed coppers. This was a non UK citizen being bullied for something he wrote in another country. So where, even, was the jurisdiction ?

One of the most mental news stories in my life-time.

The fact that some people choose to look the other way about what happened is even more unsettling.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Eventual accession by Ukraine cannot be viewed solely in economic terms. For sure there will be costs to rebuild infrastructure and manufacturing capacity

Some costs?!!....Some costs!!!

We have already spent over ten billion on Ukraine and that's just weapons and a little to keep the state running.....which is barely functional outside of war.

The 'some cost' to rebuild Ukraine into anything like the second world country it was even before the war would take hundreds of billions over decades.

How much is the UK going to have to foot for the stupidity and hubris of dimwits.....God knows.

but there will also be significant benefits in food, fertiliser and energy security, along with access to important mineral resources. If nothing else has been made obvious in recent times security of supply is an important resource.

Again, are you just being dim here?

We had all of those deals with Ukraine before the war.

What you mention is zero benefit over what we already had.

On balance Ukraine joining the EU would be a benefit to both parties. Us to if we summon up the nous to get reassociated!

Please....oh god, if only we could restrict the cost to ruineous fools like you.

You don't give a feck about Ukraine you only hate Russia.

You supported the war continuing in 2022 when a deal was on the table.

Now Ukraine is an economic chain around Europe's neck and it's fools like you who are responsible.

If only it was only the people who supported this crap that had to pay for it.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Putting politics aside, what has become clear over the last few years is that we are infested with the absolute worst order-obeying, brainwashed weasels.

Many of them no doubt, read history of the 1930s and tell themselves 'There is no way I would have been like that, there is no way I would have betrayed my Jewish neighbour and burnt books'. But they would have been exactly like that! They are like that now ffs.

Witness the total demonisation of those who opposed lockdowns and vaccines, many of whom were snitched on, spied on, had the reputations trashed and/or lost their jobs.
Similar trends have been seen with climate change, gender ideology, pro-Palestine, anti-immigration.

Back on-topic, even daring to point out the inconvenient facts that Ukraine is a an international hub of Neo-Nazis, Child-Trafficking and Biolabs is another 1984ist banned topic.

I don't believe all those thought-speech banned topics sit neatly on a political axis, nor is the right/left aspect the defining factor (many are simply opposing the influence of multinational corporations and their agendas).
However, I agree that the traditional conservatives have definitely been massively targeted for what amounts to little more than opposing government policy and law-breaking.

Anyone, on the traditional left or the right, should be massively concerned by free-speech impositions. Unfortunately, many are simply too thick, or too self-interested, to comprehend the implications.

100 percent.

The decline of our nation is seen in these dimwits.

 

[McAhuna]

You supported the war continuing in 2022 when a deal was on the table.

Now Ukraine is an economic chain around Europe's neck and it's fools like you who are responsible.

Just picking up on one aspect, which although I agree with you, I think you have been too generous in the extent to which you downplayed it.

A deal was on the table. It was supported by the majority (estimated 61-69%) of Ukrainians and the majority of Russians.

But 'Defender of Democracy' Zelenskyy cancelled the elections so no one got a say.

Then the peace deal broke down due to the direct intervention of Boris Johnson who insisted on the war continuing, before returning to a champagne reception in Westminster.

Since then hundreds of thousands have needlessly died. I am sure they are all very grateful for our 'support' while they continue to get blown to pieces in freezing trenches.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Just picking up on one aspect, which although I agree with you, I think you have been too generous in the extent to which you downplayed it.

A deal was on the table. It was supported by the majority (estimated 61-69%) of Ukrainians and the majority of Russians.

But 'Defender of Democracy' Zelenskyy cancelled the elections so no one got a say.

Then the peace deal broke down due to the direct intervention of Boris Johnson who insisted on the war continuing, before returning to a champagne reception in Westminster.

Since then hundreds of thousands have needlessly died. I am sure they are all very grateful for our 'support' while they continue to get blown to pieces in freezing trenches.

I was very deep into this foreign war and spent months arguing with Wisbech, who was convinced that Ukraine should keep fighting instead of making peace......On terms then that they have zero chance of getting now....Russia said it at the time, that those terms would only be offered once.

Now those terms will be much worse and he was part of the chorus that made that happen.

It p1ssed me off so much I mostly ignored it.....but it's a looming ball and chain that's going to get much bigger once the war ends......dangerous as well considering the amount of weapons that have been pumped into that corrupt country.

Whatever happens now Ukraine is completely fecked and it'll be looking towards Europe's governments and banks to rebuild it.

Which means that Europe's and our own poor and vulnerable have even less.

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