Villa v Maccabi

[Spindle]

The big question, surely, is why did they feel the need to be out protesting? There were no Israeli fans there. Are they/ you saying the team are all Zionists? If not please explain the need to protest

Their love of violent dominance.

How vocal they've become.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

What an embarrassing post.

I thought we were just making things up that other posters have done - it seems fine for people to do it to me.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

In my experience it is those who want to call others anti semitic who conflate zionists with Jews - and they know they are doing it for political gain.

For example criticism of the Israeli government is called anti semitic by those wanting to make political gain.

I flatter myself and everyone else on here, that we know the difference and don't conflate jews and zionism.

Whilst I can't speak to your views, the above is certainly untrue for the board as a whole - the shameless weaponising of antisemitism claims on here over the last few months is incredibly embarrassing - it's the absolute go-to of a number of posters as they try to maintain their increasingly indefensible position.

 

[Mattconrov]

The key point is the pro Hamas Free Palestine mob want Israel destroyed and all the Jews that are there.

That's much more important than arguing that criticising the Israeli government is not intrinsically Jew hate, that's a subjective issue

It's not subjective. Zionism and Judaism are different. You can be a Zionist but not a Jew and vice versa.

I certainly don't want Isreal and all Jews destroyed. But I have great sympathy with the Palestinians. There are Israelis that won't join the army because of Palestine.

I don't care too much for the pro Palestine groups in this country; but that's for other reasons.

The extremes of the pro Palestine group will certainly want its destruction; but that's because we always hear the loudest mouths.

Certainly not a black and white issue.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Whilst I can't speak to your views, the above is certainly untrue for the board as a whole - the shameless weaponising of antisemitism claims on here over the last few months is incredibly embarrassing - it's the absolute go-to of a number of posters as they try to maintain their increasingly indefensible position.

Let's put aside your humanitarian crusade for a moment. We can all do one of those.

Speaking only for myself. I am not especially pro Israeli or a Judeophile. However, I am anti Islamist, anti Hamas, Anti Iran's leadership, anti terrorist, anti enemies of this country, anti aggressive, pervasive religions and anti far left nutcases.

I don't think Israel can hide behind antisemitism, but it doesn't have to.
I do find your claims of neutrality rather laughable, since it seems to be your life's work to attack one side while occasionally paying lip service to how bad Hamas are.

Your claims that you just care about human lives doesn't seem authentic. It comes across as political.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

It's not subjective. Zionism and Judaism are different. You can be a Zionist but not a Jew and vice versa and you can be both of those things.

I certainly don't want Isreal and all Jews destroyed. But I have great sympathy with the Palestinians. There are Israelis that won't join the army because of Palestine.

I don't care too much for the pro Palestine groups in this country; but that's for other reasons.

The extremes of the pro Palestine group will certainly want its destruction; but that's because we always hear the loudest mouths.

Certainly not a black and white issue.

All true. However, the security of this country is.

We cannot pretend that there isn't a bigger picture because one of our allies is offending our moral standpoint.

 

[Mattconrov]

All true. However, the security of this country is.

We cannot pretend that there isn't a bigger picture because one of our allies is offending our moral standpoint.

I probably share the same views on Islam as you.

Another reason for not wanting war in the middle east - is It keeps them in their Islamic country and not becoming a refugee.

 

[eaglesdare]

I probably share the same views on Islam as you.

Another reason for not wanting war in the middle east - is It keeps them in their Islamic country and not becoming a refugee.

The worst thing we did was remove thier dictators. They needed them to be kept in line.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Let's put aside your humanitarian crusade for a moment. We can all do one of those.

Speaking only for myself. I am not especially pro Israeli or a Judeophile. However, I am anti Islamist, anti Hamas, Anti Iran's leadership, anti terrorist, anti enemies of this country, anti aggressive, pervasive religions and anti far left nutcases.

I don't think Israel can hide behind antisemitism, but it doesn't have to.
I do find your claims of neutrality rather laughable, since it seems to be your life's work to attack one side while occasionally paying lip service to how bad Hamas are.

Your claims that you just care about human lives doesn't seem authentic. It comes across as political.

You don’t swan about here talking about ‘jew hate’ every 5 minutes though - there are plenty who do.

You can believe what you want about my claims - I have been consistent in my position over many, many months, despite your strange insistence that I must really mean something else.

If across hundreds of posts there is literally zero evidence of my supposed raging hatred of Jewish people, maybe it’s just time to accept that it doesn’t exist, and really I just strongly object to children being slaughtered.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I probably share the same views on Islam as you.

Another reason for not wanting war in the middle east - is It keeps them in their Islamic country and not becoming a refugee.

I think the problem is more that our pathetic government won't keep them out, but yes, stability is good for all.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

You don’t swan about here talking about ‘jew hate’ every 5 minutes though - there are plenty who do.

You can believe what you want about my claims - I have been consistent in my position over many, many months, despite your strange insistence that I must really mean something else.

If across hundreds of posts there is literally zero evidence of my supposed raging hatred of Jewish people, maybe it’s just time to accept that it doesn’t exist, and really I just strongly object to children being slaughtered.

I'm sure we all instinctively feel the same, but children die across the world every single day. From starvation, sectarianism, natural disasters, poisoned water, disease etc etc.

Are you on here complaining about that? All of those things could be fixed, bar natural disasters.
Christian children are regularly slaughtered by Islamic gangs. Haven't heard a peep from you about that.

With the best will in the world, I just can't spread myself thinly enough to worry about the whole of humanity. And if I could save some of the world's children, I'd choose the ones that were less likely to want to try and kill my grandchildren when they grow up.

 

[ASCPFC]

You don’t swan about here talking about ‘jew hate’ every 5 minutes though - there are plenty who do.

You can believe what you want about my claims - I have been consistent in my position over many, many months, despite your strange insistence that I must really mean something else.

If across hundreds of posts there is literally zero evidence of my supposed raging hatred of Jewish people, maybe it’s just time to accept that it doesn’t exist, and really I just strongly object to children being slaughtered.

Not really true though. Surveys show that Muslims "dislike" Jews - even well before the current conflict. And they're not right wing surveys.
Do you find it acceptable that several million people didn't even mind saying that they're anti-Semitic on surveys? So engrained that they don't even feel the need to hide it.
I'm pretty sure that you have seen this too. If I were to make common sense extrapolations, then there were a significant amount of anti-Semites taking part in protests.
Personally, I'm not fan of Zionism and have not accused anyone of anti-Semitism. However, to ignore obvious truths is simply bias or ignorance. And yes, I'm bias and/or ignorant on certain matters myself. It's not a value judgement.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Not really true though. Surveys show that Muslims "dislike" Jews - even well before the current conflict. And they're not right wing surveys.
Do you find it acceptable that several million people didn't even mind saying that they're anti-Semitic on surveys? So engrained that they don't even feel the need to hide it.
I'm pretty sure that you have seen this too. If I were to make common sense extrapolations, then there were a significant amount of anti-Semites taking part in protests.
Personally, I'm not fan of Zionism and have not accused anyone of anti-Semitism. However, to ignore obvious truths is simply bias or ignorance. And yes, I'm bias and/or ignorant on certain matters myself. It's not a value judgement.

Sorry, what isn’t true?

 

[CPFCSaturn]

I'm sure we all instinctively feel the same, but children die across the world every single day. From starvation, sectarianism, natural disasters, poisoned water, disease etc etc.

Are you on here complaining about that? All of those things could be fixed, bar natural disasters.
Christian children are regularly slaughtered by Islamic gangs. Haven't heard a peep from you about that.

With the best will in the world, I just can't spread myself thinly enough to worry about the whole of humanity. And if I could save some of the world's children, I'd choose the ones that were less likely to want to try and kill my grandchildren when they grow up.

I strongly disagree, and there are mountains of pages of posts on here to support my disagreement. In fact I think your last paragraph is the real truth in this - a large percentage of people give much less of a s*** about dying children if they are Arab and/or Muslim. And you can’t get your head around the fact that I do not.

Sorry but comparing a genocidal military killing children in their thousands to disease and natural disasters is just a fundamentally stupid point.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I strongly disagree, and there are mountains of pages of posts on here to support my disagreement. In fact I think your last paragraph is the real truth in this - a large percentage of people give much less of a s*** about dying children if they are Arab and/or Muslim. And you can’t get your head around the fact that I do not.

Sorry but comparing a genocidal military killing children in their thousands to disease and natural disasters is just a fundamentally stupid point.

As is selective quoting when everyone can read my original post.

In an ideal world, no one gets killed in conflict. This is not an ideal world.

 

[eaglesdare]

There really is no point trying to rationalise your antisemitism views we all know who the Jew haters are here...