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Well at least a debate on which side of the political spectrum has the hottest women makes more sense than justifying what the demented POTUS is doing and saying.
For example he’s boasting that all these countries will now be paying tariffs.
Not quite Donald, American people will be paying the tariffs. That’s quite an important point.
 
Eaglehamster said:
Well at least a debate on which side of the political spectrum has the hottest women makes more sense than justifying what the demented POTUS is doing and saying.
For example he’s boasting that all these countries will now be paying tariffs.
Not quite Donald, American people will be paying the tariffs. That’s quite an important point.
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While what he's doing will damage the economy he's also doing what he said he'd do on tariffs during his campaign. He isn't like Starmer who lied about almost everything.

It's already been shown.....The American economy can't just keep rolling along losing two trillion in debt every year. Something had to change.

Most Americans don't have stock and shares, what they care about are jobs and the cost of living, like most economies.

His year on year job figures are above Biden's and ultimately he will be judged on the results.
 
When you hear the left complaining about Trump and our weakness to effectively do anything about it.....Never forget that it was their ideology that pushed relentlessly for the breaking down of nationalism and any independent national strength.....be it military or economic independence, cultural or social.

Anything that made us distinct or powerful they fought against. They want average, the individuals themselves on the left want the best available and standard of living for themselves but for everyone else.....it's a double standard monotone.....I don't think most of them think that seriously, it's emotional reflex.

We led the world both economically and militarily and it was the left who attacked it from the moment they grew out of the unions (not that I'm attacking worker representation...even if the left disfigured that too).

The majority of them wanted us in the Euro.

The majority of them wanted us in the EU......they fought against you even having a vote on it.

They want group think because they align it with safety.

Well, America showed us that it's a fool's paradise to think that restricting your options by giving up economic independence was ever sensible. While they whine about Trump the observation that China and BRICS would also fight economically against the EU when it suits them should be a powerful message that being outside these organisations as an island nation that can trade makes a lot of sense.

We can benefit in trade with what Trump is doing.
 
I don't think it's correct that just the left hide in groupthink. We saw what happened during Covid, and no-one took any blame for anything. They took the contacts money and emptied the Treasury. I think human nature of taking as much as possible , whilst not suffering the consequences, overrides a lot of political ideology.
The Selfish Gene, we'd hoped humanity would overcome this trait, but sadly not.
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
I don't think it's correct that just the left hide in groupthink. We saw what happened during Covid, and no-one took any blame for anything. They took the contacts money and emptied the Treasury. I think human nature of taking as much as possible , whilst not suffering the consequences, overrides a lot of political ideology.
The Selfish Gene, we'd hoped humanity would overcome this trait, but sadly not.
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I was confused by your post until I realised that what you mean here is that you consider the conservatives who were in power during 2010-2024 to have not been on the left.

The truth is that they were declared social liberals.....not social conservatives as their name would suggest, but social liberals.....and all their social policies were Labour policies from ten years previous.....So yes, both Labour and the Tories supported the Covid policy because essentially they agree on a lot.....The Uniparty.

That's the very definition of group think....All the DEI stuff for example was implemented under the Tories.....All the anti free speech and liberties stuff, was put into a bill and supported by these Tories.....Fake Tories.

While I think it might be fair to say that the Tories have publicly changed a little since they left power (probably fake as they do little other than lie to their base). The reality is that it's still full of people like our Cornwall friend.....someone who came on here claiming to be a Tory, while supporting all the left's social ideas....and only being conservative when it came to his personal finances.
 
Many imports to the US are essential. So the US user will pay the tariff. Assuming the US people tolerate the increases, their treasury’s coffers will grow rapidly.

Makes you wonder what those funds will be used for. Would it be to rebuild the country’s infrastructure? To provide assistance to reignite America’s manufacturing? Or will it fund tax cuts? I wonder.
 
Eaglehamster said:
Many imports to the US are essential. So the US user will pay the tariff. Assuming the US people tolerate the increases, their treasury’s coffers will grow rapidly.

Makes you wonder what those funds will be used for. Would it be to rebuild the country’s infrastructure? To provide assistance to reignite America’s manufacturing? Or will it fund tax cuts? I wonder.
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Essential? Like what?

America are obviously going to make deals on what they can't produce themselves.

As for what Trump does with the significant savings they will make in routing out fraud and waste from the system.....not sure why it bothers us.....but I should imagine it'll be both manufacturing and tax cuts.
 
Stirlingsays said:
While what he's doing will damage the economy he's also doing what he said he'd do on tariffs during his campaign. He isn't like Starmer who lied about almost everything.

It's already been shown.....The American economy can't just keep rolling along losing two trillion in debt every year. Something had to change.

Most Americans don't have stock and shares, what they care about are jobs and the cost of living, like most economies.

His year on year job figures are above Biden's and ultimately he will be judged on the results.
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Some economies are even more indebted than the USA and they manage. It’s whether you can service the debt that matters. Money has to find a home so we could see interest rates being forced lower. I wonder what would happen if China started to dump its US Treasury bond holdings, forcing the exchange rate down and adding to US inflation.

Most Americans have their pensions invested in the stock market and if it goes down so will the value of their pension.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Some economies are even more indebted than the USA and they manage. It’s whether you can service the debt that matters. Money has to find a home so we could see interest rates being forced lower. I wonder what would happen if China started to dump its US Treasury bond holdings, forcing the exchange rate down and adding to US inflation.

Most Americans have their pensions invested in the stock market and if it goes down so will the value of their pension.
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A lot of normies don’t really understand government debt/expenditure and can only think of it in the same sense as household debt. It doesn’t help that a lot of politicians also talk about it in the same reference even though they know it’s not correct.
 
DanH said:
A lot of normies don’t really understand government debt/expenditure and can only think of it in the same sense as household debt. It doesn’t help that a lot of politicians also talk about it in the same reference even though they know it’s not correct
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Arrogance and assumptions isn't much of a reply.

It's your Keynesian economics that has us here in the first place.

I listed the problem that you don't explain how to solve.....America's debt repayment stands at 15 percent of economic spending....nearly a trillion a year and rising. Yet here is you and your Cornwall friend thinking that governments can exist off credit cards seemingly with no reality check.

Most nations do actually have to live within their means. You can only print beyond your means if people are willing to buy up your debt.

The dollar is the global reserve currency, but that's been changing with BRICs being that example. You can't just close your eyes to the fact that the era of the petrol dollar has ended.

Then again you are Dan so perhaps you can.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Arrogance and assumptions isn't much of a reply.

It's your Keynesian economics that has us here in the first place.

I listed the problem that you don't explain how to solve.....America's debt repayment stands at 15 percent of economic spending....nearly a trillion a year and rising. Yet here is you thinking that governments can exist off credit cards seemingly with no reality check.

Most nations do actually have to live within their means. You can only print beyond your means if people are willing to buy up your debt.

The dollar is the global reserve currency, but that's been changing with BRICs being that example. You can't just close your eyes to the fact that the era of the petrol dollar has ended.

Then again you are Dan so perhaps you can.
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Sigh. The most incorrect analogy in economics.
 
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