US Politics

[Wisbech Eagle]

True, but still while the Catholics and Orthodox aren't promoting rainbow and alphabet and feminist ideology many people are seeing it as a better representation of normality than the completely gone Protestant church.

Not many within the whole population! 95% of us don’t attend a Church regularly.

Within that 5% constituency it might be true, but the indications I have read are suggesting it’s the progressive Churches that are actually growing. It’s though pretty irrelevant in the broader sense.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

This is an extract from the report you referenced. Cooper being Yvette Cooper:-

“Cooper said: "Ignoring the issues, not examining and exposing them to the light, allows the criminality and depravity of a minority of men to be used to marginalise whole communities."

In a later interview, Lady Casey said the data should be investigated as it was "only helping the bad people" not to give a full picture of the situation, adding: "You're doing a disservice to two sets of population, the Pakistani and Asian heritage community, and victims."

Avoiding the marginalisation of whole communities is something I have argued all along. The police deciding not to collect ethnicity data was them following the existing protocols. Which I understood and defended. However, if the reflected wisdom is that collecting and publishing the data helps to avoid marginalisation then I am happy to accept the expert advice. As I am sure the police are. What was objected to was the desire to collect the data in order to further marginalise via headlines in the right wing press.

Collecting the data? That's the problem is it? Nothing about not investigating the crimes when they happened.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Have you been following the legal battle between her and Michael Wolff?

She sued him for “$1 billion” for defamation in his book which alleged Epstein introduced her to Trump. Unlike others he has refused to submit to the pressure and is counter sueing. Which will require her to make depositions, under oath and answer questions. Wolff knows something. He is very confident of his position.

Of course it’s not actually her doing this. She is just the figurehead. It’s Trump instructing his lawyers to close down criticism. She though will be the one being questioned.

It could get interesting.

Michael Wolff was more involved with Epstein than Trump.

Michael Wolff’s Unsatisfying Explanation for Cozying Up to Epstein

The writer insists that it’s normal to “ingratiate” oneself with sources—even if that means serving as a de facto media adviser to the late sexual predator.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[eaglesdare]

I must admit it's funny seeing the left defend the pope on this one 😂 they will go back to hating him and Christianity tomorrow.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Collecting the data? That's the problem is it? Nothing about not investigating the crimes when they happened.

When discussing the way to get the cooperation of a community it is entirely about successfully investigating the crimes. You can investigate until the cows come home but you cannot prosecute without evidence.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Michael Wolff was more involved with Epstein than Trump.

Michael Wolff’s Unsatisfying Explanation for Cozying Up to Epstein

The writer insists that it’s normal to “ingratiate” oneself with sources—even if that means serving as a de facto media adviser to the late sexual predator.

www.theatlantic.com

Depends what you mean by involved! He spent time with him. As a journalist, because he was a good source of information. Especially about Trump who has long been a subject of interest for Wolff.

Trump was much more socially involved with him. They shared an obvious interest in young, good looking, naive and ambitious women.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

When discussing the way to get the cooperation of a community it is entirely about successfully investigating the crimes. You can investigate until the cows come home but you cannot prosecute without evidence.

The girls who went to the police obviously weren't enough.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Depends what you mean by involved! He spent time with him. As a journalist, because he was a good source of information. Especially about Trump who has long been a subject of interest for Wolff.

Trump was much more socially involved with him. They shared an obvious interest in young, good looking, naive and ambitious women.

Do you think he's a reliable journalist?

Blurred lines: how Michael Wolff aspired to be part of elite circles he wrote about

The writer who features prominently in newly released Jeffrey Epstein emails has achieved extraordinary access but faced questions about his journalistic ethics

www.theguardian.com

 

[cryrst]

The girls who went to the police obviously weren't enough.

They were white, it don’t matter !

 

[Spiderman]

Depends what you mean by involved! He spent time with him. As a journalist, because he was a good source of information. Especially about Trump who has long been a subject of interest for Wolff.

Trump was much more socially involved with him. They shared an obvious interest in young, good looking, naive and ambitious women.

Have you got any proof to back all these claims up? Or are they just an opinion?

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

Depends what you mean by involved! He spent time with him. As a journalist, because he was a good source of information. Especially about Trump who has long been a subject of interest for Wolff.

Trump was much more socially involved with him. They shared an obvious interest in young, good looking, naive and ambitious women.

and who doesn't ? 😀

 

[georgenorman]

When discussing the way to get the cooperation of a community it is entirely about successfully investigating the crimes. You can investigate until the cows come home but you cannot prosecute without evidence.

Your stance on child rape gangs of primarily Pakistani heritage disgusts me, as it should anyone with a moral compass.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Have you got any proof to back all these claims up? Or are they just an opinion?

Proof, no. Who other than those involved could have?

I do though regularly watch Michael Wolff and Joanna Coles present “Inside Trump’s Head” on The Daily Beast. Which is an unscripted conversation about the events surrounding Trump and attempting to analyse why he is saying and doing things.

Wolff is a compelling witness. He has an irritating style sometimes but my opinion is that he very clearly speaks from the heart and tells the truth as he knows it. He doesn’t try to hide his relationship with Epstein in any way and was present on some occasions when Trump was too. There are things he knows. By all means question his own activities but it’s not those which are really important. It’s Trump’s and what impact they are having on his decision making.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Proof, no. Who other than those involved could have?

I do though regularly watch Michael Wolff and Joanna Coles present “Inside Trump’s Head” on The Daily Beast. Which is an unscripted conversation about the events surrounding Trump and attempting to analyse why he is saying and doing things.

Wolff is a compelling witness. He has an irritating style sometimes but my opinion is that he very clearly speaks from the heart and tells the truth as he knows it. He doesn’t try to hide his relationship with Epstein in any way and was present on some occasions when Trump was too. There are things he knows. By all means question his own activities but it’s not those which are really important. It’s Trump’s and what impact they are having on his decision making.

Wolff is a muckraker. No more credible than the News of the World.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

The girls who went to the police obviously weren't enough.

No. They raise the concerns but were unlikely to be able to provide any corroboration to support allegations. Without that it’s their word against another’s. Maybe several others. I would expect the police to have believed them, especially as a pattern was established, but lacked the actual evidence.

It was unlikely that any forensic evidence was available, but possible. That could have helped but any case would have to first go to the CPS for them to assess the probability of a conviction.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Wolff is a muckraker. No more credible than the News of the World.

No, he is much more than that. He has many contacts, some currently within the White House who want to get the truth out in public and use Wolff as their conduit.

Watch the podcast and judge.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

No. They raise the concerns but were unlikely to be able to provide any corroboration to support allegations. Without that it’s their word against another’s. Maybe several others. I would expect the police to have believed them, especially as a pattern was established, but lacked the actual evidence.

It was unlikely that any forensic evidence was available, but possible. That could have helped but any case would have to first go to the CPS for them to assess the probability of a conviction.

No thought that the number of incidents over many years might warrant investigation.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

No, he is much more than that. He has many contacts, some currently within the White House who want to get the truth out in public and use Wolff as their conduit.

Watch the podcast and judge.

Bias confirmation.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Trump mocks the Pope at his peril … he will have a billion catholics after him.
I’ll pray for his redemption and light a candle, he may need it

Trump's meme depicting himself as Jesus Christ draws backlash from allies

President Trump's AI-generated image depicting himself as Jesus Christ irked Americans on both sides of the aisle, with many calling the post blasphemous.

www.foxnews.com

Another religious nut.

Religion has no place in politics. The Pope should stick to God bothering and keep out of political and security issues. That ain't his job.

 

[georgenorman]

No. They raise the concerns but were unlikely to be able to provide any corroboration to support allegations. Without that it’s their word against another’s. Maybe several others. I would expect the police to have believed them, especially as a pattern was established, but lacked the actual evidence.

It was unlikely that any forensic evidence was available, but possible. That could have helped but any case would have to first go to the CPS for them to assess the probability of a conviction.

Pass the sick-bag Alice.