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[Teddy Eagle]

It most certainly isn’t.

The number of times my views have been misrepresented, despite repeated patient explanations, proves that some people are either incapable of understanding simple English or are allowing their prejudices to overcome any last vestiges of common sense they might once have possessed.

Like the view that the response was carefully considered and in everyone's best interests.

Rochdale grooming gang report's key findings

A review finds police and councils failed to respond properly to widespread child sexual abuse.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Stirlingsays]

Despite having video evidence of him saying "I got that white girl. I got that white girl," Iryna Zarutska's killer was just found to be too low IQ to be held responsible for his actions in a court of law.

No riots, no mass movement for change, no institutional or social reform for Iryna.

Just another dead white girl.

 

[Common Sense Club]

Wouldn’t matter. Anyone attempting to subvert any one of my grandchildren, in any way, from whatever background, would very quickly realise they would have met much more than they could cope with.

Transgendered individuals are seen as an affront to the creator Allah, and therefore his creation wanting to change itself would likely be met with hostility. Be prepared to argue your family’s case but don’t expect to win.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Transgendered individuals are seen as an affront to the creator Allah, and therefore his creation wanting to change itself would likely be met with hostility. Be prepared to argue your family’s case but don’t expect to win.

What has that got to do with the issue? I have no interest in what any religion says on this subject. Nor do my grandchildren. Neither I, or they, would engage with anyone seeking to force their opinion.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Like the view that the response was carefully considered and in everyone's best interests.

Rochdale grooming gang report's key findings

A review finds police and councils failed to respond properly to widespread child sexual abuse.

www.bbc.co.uk

What on earth are you going on about?

The various investigations over the years have uncovered a variety of systemic failings as the scale of the problem became better understood. As the report you reference says these were, at least in part, as a result of under resourcing.

A lack of resources has been a consistent point made by me throughout all of these debates.

 

[Common Sense Club]

What has that got to do with the issue? I have no interest in what any religion says on this subject. Nor do my grandchildren. Neither I, or they, would engage with anyone seeking to force their opinion.

I do like the way you think that you would have a choice as to whether you would engage with a particular group that holds a different opinion to them.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

What on earth are you going on about?

The various investigations over the years have uncovered a variety of systemic failings as the scale of the problem became better understood. As the report you reference says these were, at least in part, as a result of under resourcing.

A lack of resources has been a consistent point made by me throughout all of these debates.

Yes, in part. But not for the nonsensical reasons you were citing for years.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I do like the way you think that you would have a choice as to whether you would engage with a particular group that holds a different opinion to them.

We all have that choice. We can just walk away and ignore whatever others do. More likely we simply avoid situations which could result in problems. I do. Others though seem to seek the.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Despite having video evidence of him saying "I got that white girl. I got that white girl," Iryna Zarutska's killer was just found to be too low IQ to be held responsible for his actions in a court of law.

No riots, no mass movement for change, no institutional or social reform for Iryna.

Just another dead white girl.

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So he gets locked up in a nut house forever?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Yes, in part. But not for the nonsensical reasons you were citing for years.

What is nonsensical about stating facts?

When the police are under resourced but expected to perform an ever increasing number of tasks, often including things that are more appropriately handled by social services, who are also under resourced, they cannot satisfy every demand.

They got criticised over this and eventually set up a dedicated unit. However in the early days if they had devoted more resources to this then other important matters would have received less. They must be now. So whilst I have shown more sympathy and understanding for the police in them trying to juggle an impossible work load I have never defended the actions of the criminals involved in the gangs. I want all of them indentified and the evidence collected. That is made a lot easier if the police enjoy a good relationship with the communities in which the majority of these criminals hide. Trust is needed.

So I also criticise those who undermine that trust. Which the attitudes frequently expressed here tend to do. Especially when delivered by rabble rousers who make a bad situation even worse.

 

[Stirlingsays]

So he gets locked up in a nut house forever?

Nothing would surprise me.

He's been treated lightly by the system all the way through his criminal and murderous life.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Nothing would surprise me.

He's been treated lightly by the system all the way through his criminal and murderous life.

He should be disposed of by the state. I'd lose no sleep at all.

 

[Stirlingsays]

He should be disposed of by the state. I'd lose no sleep at all.

Agreed, there is no doubt he murdered her so he's forfeits his life in my opinion.

Capital punishment was only abolished due to mistakes. There would be no mistake here.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Agreed, there is no doubt he murdered her so he's forfeits his life in my opinion.

Capital punishment was only abolished due to mistakes. There would be no mistake here.

Exactly. In cases of cold blooded murder with absolute proof, there is a case for the death penalty.

This guy should be ended.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

What is nonsensical about stating facts?

When the police are under resourced but expected to perform an ever increasing number of tasks, often including things that are more appropriately handled by social services, who are also under resourced, they cannot satisfy every demand.

They got criticised over this and eventually set up a dedicated unit. However in the early days if they had devoted more resources to this then other important matters would have received less. They must be now. So whilst I have shown more sympathy and understanding for the police in them trying to juggle an impossible work load I have never defended the actions of the criminals involved in the gangs. I want all of them indentified and the evidence collected. That is made a lot easier if the police enjoy a good relationship with the communities in which the majority of these criminals hide. Trust is needed.

So I also criticise those who undermine that trust. Which the attitudes frequently expressed here tend to do. Especially when delivered by rabble rousers who make a bad situation even worse.

Nothing wrong with facts as long as those facts are correct. Where have I ever said that you defended the criminals' actions?
If you cast your mind back to the old thread there were a few assertions framed as facts which patently weren't and a few suggestions which were correct which you vehemently denied.

 

[cryrst]

What on earth are you going on about?

The various investigations over the years have uncovered a variety of systemic failings as the scale of the problem became better understood. As the report you reference says these were, at least in part, as a result of under resourcing.

A lack of resources has been a consistent point made by me throughout all of these debates.

What about the ones resourced which still swerved the truth. Honestly you defend the indefensible!

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Nothing wrong with facts as long as those facts are correct. Where have I ever said that you defended the criminals' actions?
If you cast your mind back to the old thread there were a few assertions framed as facts which patently weren't and a few suggestions which were correct which you vehemently denied.

I doubt you did, that’s not your style, but others certainly did and refused to acknowledge their misrepresentations when corrected. In Trumpian style they just doubled down with the lies.

I have no idea which assertions you think as I framed as facts that patently weren’t! Nor any suggestions which were “correct”. I recall lots of unsubstantiated assertions being tossed around about why the police, social services and government were responding as they did. To which I offered alternatives.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

What about the ones resourced which still swerved the truth. Honestly you defend the indefensible!

I doubt there were any at all! There would have been some which challenged opinions which became the “truth” in some minds because they were repeated so often.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I doubt you did, that’s not your style, but others certainly did and refused to acknowledge their misrepresentations when corrected. In Trumpian style they just doubled down with the lies.

I have no idea which assertions you think as I framed as facts that patently weren’t! Nor any suggestions which were “correct”. I recall lots of unsubstantiated assertions being tossed around about why the police, social services and government were responding as they did. To which I offered alternatives.

The assertions that the findings of the report didn't, wouldn't and couldn't happen.

Ethnicity of grooming gangs 'shied away from', Casey report says

"We as a society owe these women a debt," the report also says.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[cryrst]

I doubt there were any at all! There would have been some which challenged opinions which became the “truth” in some minds because they were repeated so often.

When it was proven to be Asian gangs the establishment did the 3 wise monkeys
It will bite them back very hard I hope. Hiding because they are so afraid of violence on the street by apologist Muslims. This isn’t about being afraid of racism any more.