US Politics

[Phil’s Barber]

I not surprised that demonstrations started immediately. Their tactics being known from elsewhere pretty much guaranteed that.

If all they did was find and arrest illegals with convictions for assault then there would not be any issues at all. Unfortunately it isn’t. Not even remotely.

There’s no disguising what is really happening and joining in the whitewashing doesn’t diminish it. This is a para military force, recruited and trained quickly, badly led to act with little restraint or respect for the law.

It’s also a bad miscalculation by those running Trump. It may be popular with the hard core MAGA base but it isn’t with everybody else. There are already signs of the big funders pulling their support, of a change of position by Murdoch and a revolt by senior Republican senators who are beginning to fear a massacre at the mid terms more than deselection by Trump.

They are locating, detaining and deporting illegal immigrants. I fail to see how you can defend anyone trying to obstruct, impede or prevent law enforcement officers from executing their lawful duty.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I don't agree that he should have been....because bigger principles are at risk.

But you see it doesn't really matter what we think....the reality is that you don't try to jail your opposition unless it has enough support from their own side.

And the Democrats never had that.

If the Democrats had actually jailed Trump.....even though the guy's an arse.....you are going to get war....He only had to say the word.

Especially now that he's got rid of generals he doesn't think will back him.

You seriously think Trump will give up power to go to a prison jail? Common sense would have avoided this.....but the left lack it.

I say the only way democracy survives in America is by going back to past principles.....You don't prosecute Presidents.

But I'm honest and I think it's too late for that now......The die was past in Biden's administration....and you supported it. Trump's administration are going to copy Biden's and pick off major Democrat leaders and literally hope they get a response.

So you're going to get the consequences of what you wished for.....though I don't think you're going to enjoy it much.

I agree. You don’t and the Democrats didn’t, despite all the bs to the contrary.

What you do, and what they did, is what ought to be be done in every civilised, democratic country where the rule of law transcends political expediency.

They kept politics away from the process and allowed due process to prevail, whatever the political consequences might be. That we now have a totally corrupt administration whose corruption extends deeply into every arm of power represents the greatest challenge to the USA since it’s foundation.

How it deals with it will determine not just its future but will have a very significant impact on ours, and the rest of the world too.

 

[eaglesdare]

I don't agree that he should have been....because bigger principles are at risk.

But you see it doesn't really matter what we think....the reality is that you don't try to jail your opposition unless it has enough support from their own side.

And the Democrats never had that.

If the Democrats had actually jailed Trump.....even though the guy's an arse.....you are going to get war....He only had to say the word.

Especially now that he's got rid of generals he doesn't think will back him.

You seriously think Trump will give up power to go to a prison jail? Common sense would have avoided this.....but the left lack it.

I say the only way democracy survives in America is by going back to past principles.....You don't prosecute Presidents.

But I'm honest and I think it's too late for that now......The die was past in Biden's administration....and you supported it. Trump's administration are going to copy Biden's and pick off major Democrat leaders and literally hope they get a response.

So you're going to get the consequences of what you wished for.....though I don't think you're going to enjoy it much.

I kinda get the feeling that the Trump administration is holding back a little on this. As we have seen what the Democrats did with Trump and literally gifted him the presidency back by going after him and arresting him.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Even Trump wouldn’t have been so stupid as to arm the protestors. No Congress or Supreme Court could overlook that. Civil war could have resulted. That though was then. His mental state and more importantly, the people controlling him, are now much worse. He may try to suspend the Constitution and cancel the mid terms.

They didn't overlook what happened and tried to jail him....with your full support.

And now we are here.

Ice, isn't being built to just be used for immigration.....it's gonna be the Police state.

What you want against people like me, you're going to get against people like you in the US.

 

[beak]

The Republicans are asking for a full judicial review they are worried that this will continue to get worse.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

They didn't overlook what happened and tried to jail him....with your full support.

And now we are here.

Ice, isn't being built to just be used for immigration.....it's gonna be the Police state.

What you want against people like me, you're going to get against people like you in the US.

If you mean by “they” the Biden administration then you are talking through your rear end and allowing your prejudice to obscure the truth.

Neither the Biden administration nor Congress had anything to do with the various cases brought against Trump. Only the law did. Back then the Justice Department wasn’t a private tool of the President and States could mount prosecutions against business people and previous Presidents who broke the law.

You are thought right that ICE is not just a Border Control operation but the start of a para military federal police force. Where I think, and hope, you are wrong is that it will ever be used against “people like me”. Most people are far more like me than you, even in the USA. I cannot believe they will ever accept the kind of authoritarian regime you seem to want to be established. Right now the Republicans in Congress are muted through fear, but their disquiet in private is well known and it is already, via back channels, having its effect on Trump. His climb down on Greenland and NATO being evidence of that. As we get closer to the mid terms their fear of losing control of both Houses is going to overcome their fear of Trump.

If Trump, or more accurately his controllers, try to suspend the mid terms and then the Presidential election there will be a constitutional crisis that I don’t believe the people, Congress, the Supreme Court or ultimately the military, if necessary, will tolerate.

This isn’t simply a temporary swing to the right of the kind we are seeing here, and elsewhere in Europe. Much as I dislike Farage he is not on the same scale as Trump. By a very long way. The people behind Trump do not believe in democracy and I sense both a growing realisation of that and the determination to stop it happening.

 

[beak]

If you mean by “they” the Biden administration then you are talking through your rear end and allowing your prejudice to obscure the truth.

Neither the Biden administration nor Congress had anything to do with the various cases brought against Trump. Only the law did. Back then the Justice Department wasn’t a private tool of the President and States could mount prosecutions against business people and previous Presidents who broke the law.

You are thought right that ICE is not just a Border Control operation but the start of a para military federal police force. Where I think, and hope, you are wrong is that it will ever be used against “people like me”. Most people are far more like me than you, even in the USA. I cannot believe they will ever accept the kind of authoritarian regime you seem to want to be established. Right now the Republicans in Congress are muted through fear, but their disquiet in private is well known and it is already, via back channels, having its effect on Trump. His climb down on Greenland and NATO being evidence of that. As we get closer to the mid terms their fear of losing control of both Houses is going to overcome their fear of Trump.

If Trump, or more accurately his controllers, try to suspend the mid terms and then the Presidential election there will be a constitutional crisis that I don’t believe the people, Congress, the Supreme Court or ultimately the military, if necessary, will tolerate.

This isn’t simply a temporary swing to the right of the kind we are seeing here, and elsewhere in Europe. Much as I dislike Farage he is not on the same scale as Trump. By a very long way. The people behind Trump do not believe in democracy and I sense both a growing realisation of that and the determination to stop it happening.

In power he would no know bounds,he cannot be trusted.

 

[Phil’s Barber]

Yet another absolute masterclass by Karoline Leavitt during todays White House press briefing.

 

[eaglesdare]

Yet another absolute masterclass by Karoline Leavitt during todays White House press briefing.

Ooh can't wait to watch 😄🥰

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Ooh can't wait to watch 😄🥰

Watching paint dry is more appealing!

At least you don’t feel the need to chuck things at the tv because of the number of outright lies.

 

[Stirlingsays]

If you mean by “they” the Biden administration then you are talking through your rear end and allowing your prejudice to obscure the truth.

The exact opposite.

Neither the Biden administration nor Congress had anything to do with the various cases brought against Trump. Only the law did. Back then the Justice Department wasn’t a private tool of the President and States could mount prosecutions against business people and previous Presidents who broke the law.

Claptrap.

You are thought right that ICE is not just a Border Control operation but the start of a para military federal police force. Where I think, and hope, you are wrong is that it will ever be used against “people like me”. Most people are far more like me than you, even in the USA. I cannot believe they will ever accept the kind of authoritarian regime you seem to want to be established. Right now the Republicans in Congress are muted through fear, but their disquiet in private is well known and it is already, via back channels, having its effect on Trump. His climb down on Greenland and NATO being evidence of that. As we get closer to the mid terms their fear of losing control of both Houses is going to overcome their fear of Trump.

Delusional, most people aren't socially far left like you.

After the 2024 election you predicted that Reform wouldn't do well because it was too right wing.....Basically you're losing your marbles and live in a reality that's disconnected from what's going on.

If Trump, or more accurately his controllers, try to suspend the mid terms and then the Presidential election there will be a constitutional crisis that I don’t believe the people, Congress, the Supreme Court or ultimately the military, if necessary, will tolerate.

We will see I guess....or won't if it doesn't happen.
I suspect he won't try without knowing first.

This isn’t simply a temporary swing to the right of the kind we are seeing here, and elsewhere in Europe. Much as I dislike Farage he is not on the same scale as Trump. By a very long way. The people behind Trump do not believe in democracy and I sense both a growing realisation of that and the determination to stop it happening.

You only have eyes for Trump, all political parties are turning more authoritarian all over the west.
Cummings, recently spoke about this but you of course are just away with the fairies.

 

[eaglesdare]

Watching paint dry is more appealing!

At least you don’t feel the need to chuck things at the tv because of the number of outright lies.

What lies?

 

[Stirlingsays]

Ooh can't wait to watch 😄🥰

I did.

Great tits.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

What lies?

As just about everything she says is a lie it would be much easier to list things that are true.

 

[eaglesdare]

As just about everything she says is a lie it would be much easier to list things that are true.

You seem to have plenty of time on your hands. So off you go and tell us what lies she has said.

Karoline comes with receipts ...you just come with excuses 🤣

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

The exact opposite.




Claptrap.

You have consistently been obsessed in defending the Trump lies about the way he was treated. He portrayed it as a “witch hunt” and himself as a victim. It’s so obviously untrue as to make your position laughable. That the right wing press have, so far, taken the same line doesn’t change that. He did those things. He was given as much opportunity as anyone else to present a defence. Of course he should have been charged. Had the Democrats tried to stop it then they rightly would have been condemned for political interference.

Delusional, most people aren't socially far left like you.

After the 2024 election you predicted that Reform wouldn't do well because it was too right wing.....Basically you're losing your marbles and live in a reality that's disconnected from what's going on.

I am very far from being “socially far left”, which ought to be very obvious from my posts here. Reform won’t do well. Not in the long term. They are enjoying a honeymoon period in which they can promise the sun and the moon for sixpence without fear of anyone being able to point to past broken policies. They are the ultimate purveyors of fantasy politics. Now though they have imported tainted baggage. Baggage they will have to carry and defend. Whether the British electorate fall for it remains to be seen. They did fall for a Farage three card trick in 2016 so it’s always possible, but hopefully when push comes to shove they will be forcefully reminded of that debacle and he gets pushed back.

We will see I guess....or won't if it doesn't happen.
I suspect he won't try without knowing first.



You only have eyes for Trump, all political parties are turning more authoritarian all over the west.
Cummings, recently spoke about this but you of course are just away with the fairies.

I have been far more aware of the danger Trump represented than most others for many years. That other nations are experiencing their own reactions to a changing world is totally to be expected but nothing like as dangerous as the situation in the USA.

 

[Phil’s Barber]

As just about everything she says is a lie it would be much easier to list things that are true.

She’s absolutely brilliant. The best press secretary I’ve seen since Sir Bernard Ingham.

 

[DanH]

Imagine my shock.

 

[Common Sense Club]

Imagine my shock.

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Depends on which propaganda is being fed into them.
(Yesterday on the TV there was an interview with a guy who was arguing against the removal of the ECHR, which is being proposed by Reform. He was eloquent but it was obvious that he only knew certain ‘facts’ as when the hosts gave him well reported examples of where the ECHR rules had been apparently abused he simply answered that he hadn’t heard of those cases). Feed in only one side of a discussion and you’ll only get that one side parroted. Works for both sides.

 

[beak]

Imagine my shock.

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Keep this very quiet Trump will ban all education on his list of tomfoolery.