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Stirlingsays said:
It doesn't matter.

The democrats didn't concern themselves with polls and views on the death of Ashley Babbit did they.

The work of ICE is non negotiable.

Also many people haven't been shown what these protesters have been doing to impede and endanger the work of ICE agents. Only last night I saw videos of protesters ramming ICE cars. They put the lives of these agents in danger.

ICE are targeting illegals in the country.

Trump was elected to stop what the Biden administration was doing......and we all know why Biden was doing it.
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They are supposed to be targeting illegals who are involved in criminal activity. Not just sweeping up every illegal, let alone citizens who disapprove of their para military tactics.

Anyone, protester or not, who rams another vehicle needs to be dealt with by the appropriate authority in the appropriate way. That means by local law enforcement. Not a bunch of heavily armed, poorly trained, guys in masks.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Untrue. Only if there is an active arrest in progress can they temporarily restrain a citizen who deliberately attempts to obstruct them. They must first warn them, use the minimum force necessary and release them at the earliest opportunity. Shooting an unarmed citizen in the circumstances that existed when Good was killed fell well short on multiple levels.

If they are on patrol and simply searching for potential illegals they have no authority of any kind over citizens.
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And both of the incidents we are talking about they were trying to arrest people and being obstructed and they tried warning them first Both times !

From your BBC

Agents can detain US citizens in limited circumstances, such as if a person interferes with an arrest, assaults an officer,
 
ASCPFC said:
Can you really not see any irony in this statement? It has been pointed out before.
There is little point in me going on about how opinions can be influenced by many factors, of which a large one would be bias. But, everybody has bias, it's just one of those things. I guess it could just be posted on every thread and I doubt we want a psychology thread. Or do we? It's not my field and I don't know much about it, but I feel I may be right.
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In some areas this is undoubtedly correct. In others the truth is so obvious that it’s undeniable to everyone except those so biased they are unable to get past it.

This is one of the latter.
 
eaglesdare said:
You need to stop hitting people with your car and also get a dash cam.

Talking of dash cams....wonder if there was one on the woman's car that got shot.
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I do now have a dash cam, but didn’t at the time of the incident I have described. Unfortunately there is an issue with dash cams in electric cars though. Mine only records when the engine is running. When parked and turned off it won’t. So although I could have showed every moment I was moving the aggression towards me whilst I was stationary wouldn’t have been. It would have helped though, as I didn’t hit anyone.

I have no idea if there was a dash cam in the lady’s car. It’s not been released or mentioned.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
They are supposed to be targeting illegals who are involved in criminal activity. Not just sweeping up every illegal, let alone citizens who disapprove of their para military tactics.

Anyone, protester or not, who rams another vehicle needs to be dealt with by the appropriate authority in the appropriate way. That means by local law enforcement. Not a bunch of heavily armed, poorly trained, guys in masks.
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Since 2012 there have been at least 1000 people killed in the US every year by officers in law enforcement. This is not a recent problem.
 
Bassak said:
And both of the incidents we are talking about they were trying to arrest people and being obstructed and they tried warning them first Both times !

From your BBC

Agents can detain US citizens in limited circumstances, such as if a person interferes with an arrest, assaults an officer,
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The BBC are confirming what I said.

If there really were active arrests in progress, which I will have to take your word for, and they were genuinely obstructed then they had the authority to remove the obstruction.

If it’s the same case I saw then they dragged a women through her car window after she told them she was trying to attend a doctors appointment, throwing her to the ground. This wasn’t minimum force. It was extreme aggression by several officers.

There are many reported incidents of excessive use of force by ICE agents against unarmed citizens.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
The BBC are confirming what I said.

If there really were active arrests in progress, which I will have to take your word for, and they were genuinely obstructed then they had the authority to remove the obstruction.

If it’s the same case I saw then they dragged a women through her car window after she told them she was trying to attend a doctors appointment, throwing her to the ground. This wasn’t minimum force. It was extreme aggression by several officers.

There are many reported incidents of excessive use of force by ICE agents against unarmed citizens.
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Yes and that was this woman who was there to stop them perform an arrest !!!!

The screaming woman who was filmed being pulled from her car by ICE agents in Minneapolis has been identified as a tech guru and LGBT and racial justice activist who describes herself as a “friendly neighborhood deniable asset.”

Aliya Rahman, a software engineer with a lengthy background in coding, has backed policies for police-worn body cameras and also has prior ties to multiple different advocacy groups, including a decade-long history with the Black Lives Matter movement.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
I do now have a dash cam, but didn’t at the time of the incident I have described. Unfortunately there is an issue with dash cams in electric cars though. Mine only records when the engine is running. When parked and turned off it won’t. So although I could have showed every moment I was moving the aggression towards me whilst I was stationary wouldn’t have been. It would have helped though, as I didn’t hit anyone.

I have no idea if there was a dash cam in the lady’s car. It’s not been released or mentioned.
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Clearly the judge thought otherwise.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Of course you can, although it’s very unlikely. In this case as there is no evidence of any actual impact and that he was videoed walking normally immediately after shooting the lady, it’s irrelevant. He was fully functional when he shot her. You don’t need to be a doctor to work that out.
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My friends son died years ago. He was in a car crash with no belt on. Hit the dash board at about 30 mph. Got out of the car all ok. Rang his sister all ok. Ten mins later collapsed and died. Internal bleeding. It can happen and even at lower speeds I reckon.
 
DanH said:
Oh wow, she is absolutely rattled. Breaking point after having to tell brazen lie after brazen lie on behalf of her Orange Overlord.
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Au contraire, activist hack owned by KL.

Who speaks for the victims of illegals ? Or are they just an inconvenient side show.
 
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