US Politics

[eaglesdare]

How do you know that the alleged shooter of Kirk is left wing? He, and his family, are apparently Trump supporters, according to some who know them, although it is also said he isn’t really political at all. He is a gamer and some of the inscriptions on the bullets seem to echo game play.

Because Kirk was undoubtedly right wing you are assuming the only type that would shoot him must be from the left. I think it’s much more likely he was just mixed up in some way.

That there is increasing push back against the Trump regime is true, so it would not be surprising that some of that becomes violent. However to assume it must be all from the left is ridiculous. His base is becoming unhappy too. Fed up with rising prices, tax breaks to the rich and broken promises. That said it’s almost inevitable that such extreme a regime as the current one is will generate an extreme reaction. I would be surprised if it wasn’t just a 30 year record but an all time one. After all the regime is the all time worst!

Firstly I among other posters have provided you proof that Charlie kirks shooter was left wing and a victim of left wing dangerous rhetoric. So no need to go back over old ground. It's been confirmed by many sources so no need to further discuss it.

Secondly CSIS data shows left wing violence breaking 30-year records in 2025. TDS is the cause. 👍

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Firstly I among other posters have provided you proof that Charlie kirks shooter was left wing and a victim of left wing dangerous rhetoric. So no need to go back over old ground. It's been confirmed by many sources so no need to further discuss it.

Secondly CSIS data shows left wing violence breaking 30-year records in 2025. TDS is the cause. 👍

Has nobody ever told you that the constant repetition of something that isn’t true, doesn’t make it true? You have a history of doing exactly that. No matter how carefully your arguments are shown to be false you simply go on repeating them. This is so like your hero’s standard tactics. Tell Big Lies and keep telling them until people start to think they must be true.

The alleged killer of Kirk, Tyler Robinson, has not been tried yet so there is nothing at all that’s been proved about him. Whatever you and others might think. It’s reported he is anti fascist and didn’t like Kirk’s ideas but that doesn’t mean he is left wing. He could hate left wing ideas just as much as he hates fascism and the kind of Christianity that Kirk was a part of.

You constantly jump to conclusion.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/12/us/tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk-shooting-suspect-invs

 

[eaglesdare]

Has nobody ever told you that the constant repetition of something that isn’t true, doesn’t make it true? You have a history of doing exactly that. No matter how carefully your arguments are shown to be false you simply go on repeating them. This is so like your hero’s standard tactics. Tell Big Lies and keep telling them until people start to think they must be true.

The alleged killer of Kirk, Tyler Robinson, has not been tried yet so there is nothing at all that’s been proved about him. Whatever you and others might think. It’s reported he is anti fascist and didn’t like Kirk’s ideas but that doesn’t mean he is left wing. He could hate left wing ideas just as much as he hates fascism and the kind of Christianity that Kirk was a part of.

You constantly jump to conclusion.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/12/us/tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk-shooting-suspect-invs

Like I said, we have covered the proof on Charlie Kirks left wing assassin. Go back 50 or so pages if you need a refresher. 👍

CSIS 2025 report shows left wing extremism hit the highest level in 30 years. Take it up with CSIS not me 👍

 

[Stirlingsays]

Has nobody ever told you that the constant repetition of something that isn’t true, doesn’t make it true? You have a history of doing exactly that. No matter how carefully your arguments are shown to be false you simply go on repeating them. This is so like your hero’s standard tactics. Tell Big Lies and keep telling them until people start to think they must be true.

The alleged killer of Kirk, Tyler Robinson, has not been tried yet so there is nothing at all that’s been proved about him. Whatever you and others might think. It’s reported he is anti fascist and didn’t like Kirk’s ideas but that doesn’t mean he is left wing. He could hate left wing ideas just as much as he hates fascism and the kind of Christianity that Kirk was a part of.

You constantly jump to conclusion.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/12/us/tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk-shooting-suspect-invs

You posted an article from Sep 13, 2025, three days after the shooting.

Much information has been issued since and perhaps the reason you don't know is that your lefty sources are far less keen on reporting on what the local authorities and FBI released on the killer.

Let's just say that there is little doubt that Tyler Robinson was left wing....Well, far left progressive to be fairer to people on the left who aren't extremists trying to kill people.

As for you to accuse others of 'jumping to conclusions'....that's literally a joke. You have pushed so many conspiracy theories on here from Russiagate to far fetched copes regarding the Trump assassination attempt....I mean you are literally the guy who pushed theories of Trump's ear being cut by glass instead of a bullet.

Something with zero evidence to back it up.

Unlike you Eagle has information released by the authorities to back up what he said.

 

[Stirlingsays]

While Tyler Robinson was obviously far left wing and from released texts appears to obviously have shot and killed Kirk.....For me the only question is to whether he was set up like Oswald was.

Set up is the wrong word, groomed is probably the right one. Like the Trump assassin who had his brains blown out trying to do the same to Trump......How he came to be that guy and were any intelligence agencies involved in grooming him.....Now that's a valid investigation.

It could just be a crock of crap and what happened could entirely be at face value. However, I don't criticise those who want that looked into.

 

[Spindle]

Oxford Union guy complains about the stress of threats of violence following him posting on social media about his glee at Charlie Kirk's assassination.

Ousted Oxford Union president-elect 'threatened'' over Kirk posts

George Abaraonye lost a no-confidence vote after appearing to celebrate the death of Charlie Kirk.

www.bbc.co.uk

Oh the self awareness

 

[Badger11]

Oxford Union guy complains about the stress of threats of violence following him posting on social media about his glee at Charlie Kirk's assassination.

Ousted Oxford Union president-elect 'threatened'' over Kirk posts

George Abaraonye lost a no-confidence vote after appearing to celebrate the death of Charlie Kirk.

www.bbc.co.uk

Oh the self awareness

Young man does stupid thing. I hope this does not ruin his life. He probably thought he was being smart and witty playing to his audience.

One mistake should not ruin his life. But then again perhaps I am more tolerant of young people saying stupid things for impact (see Farage).

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Like I said, we have covered the proof on Charlie Kirks left wing assassin. Go back 50 or so pages if you need a refresher. 👍

CSIS 2025 report shows left wing extremism hit the highest level in 30 years. Take it up with CSIS not me 👍

You have just repeated, once again, what I have shown to be false.

Thus confirming what I said. Repeating a lie, doesn’t make it true. There is no proof about Tyler Robinson, either now or 50 pages ago. There are only assertions.

“A motive for the killing is yet to be revealed by officials. At a press briefing on Friday, the FBI refused to discuss Robinson's background, political leanings or a possible motive, saying the investigation was ongoing.”

That left wing extremism has hit a high point is not the point of report I referenced, despite your attempts to divert. It’s the contrasting characteristics of the left and right that result in the right tending to use violence more.

That opposition to an extreme right wing US administration has hit a high point is hardly newsworthy. It’s a predictable reaction.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

You posted an article from Sep 13, 2025, three days after the shooting.

Much information has been issued since and perhaps the reason you don't know is that your lefty sources are far less keen on reporting on what the local authorities and FBI released on the killer.

Let's just say that there is little doubt that Tyler Robinson was left wing....Well, far left progressive to be fairer to people on the left who aren't extremists trying to kill people.

As for you to accuse others of 'jumping to conclusions'....that's literally a joke. You have pushed so many conspiracy theories on here from Russiagate to far fetched copes regarding the Trump assassination attempt....I mean you are literally the guy who pushed theories of Trump's ear being cut by glass instead of a bullet.

Something with zero evidence to back it up.

Unlike you Eagle has information released by the authorities to back up what he said.

Those text messages prove nothing at all about Tyler Robinson’s politics. Only that he says he has had enough of Kirk’s “hatred”.

You assume that means he must be left leaning but he could just as easily be angry with Kirk for other reasons. Maybe he felt his “hatred” was taking the right in the wrong direction and it needed to be taken in another, more positive direction.

We didn’t know in September and don’t know any more now. Making assertions based on assumptions helps no one. Wait until the trial.

The involvement of the team around Trump with the Russians is an established fact. As is Russian interference in both the 2016 US election and the Brexit referendum. Mueller did not exonerate Trump. He said his refusal to cooperate and obstruct meant that sufficient evidence wasn’t available to guarantee a successful prosecution. A prosecution that was stymied by Barr anyway. That’s no conspiracy theory. It’s factual.

I speculated about the Trump shooting in the immediate aftermath for the very obvious reason that it’s the kind of thing he would do and the kind of thing that his security is intended to prevent. Wearing that ridiculous bandage lent support to that. No pushing, just speculation that others too were raising. Speculation that quickly became unjustified. No big deal.

 

[eaglesdare]

You have just repeated, once again, what I have shown to be false.

Thus confirming what I said. Repeating a lie, doesn’t make it true. There is no proof about Tyler Robinson, either now or 50 pages ago. There are only assertions.

“A motive for the killing is yet to be revealed by officials. At a press briefing on Friday, the FBI refused to discuss Robinson's background, political leanings or a possible motive, saying the investigation was ongoing.”

That left wing extremism has hit a high point is not the point of report I referenced, despite your attempts to divert. It’s the contrasting characteristics of the left and right that result in the right tending to use violence more.

That opposition to an extreme right wing US administration has hit a high point is hardly newsworthy. It’s a predictable reaction.

Like I said, we have already covered the Robinson evidence texts, notes, bullet casings and his anti-Kirk posts speak for themselves. Go read the 50 pages if you want. We have already discussed it. No need to go back over it.

Honestly the audacity you have saying Charlie kirks assassination wasn't not left wing but in the same breath says Charlie Kirk was right wing with no proof 🤷🏻‍♂️

CSIS 2025 report that shows Left wing attacks outnumber right wing for the first time in 30+ years, on pace for the left's most violent year in decades.
That's their data, not a "diversion." Predictable reactions don't change the stats.

 

[eaglesdare]

Anyways....stirling you mentioned Venezuela earlier in the thread.

Do you think Venezuela may be linked to the Ukraine deal with Russia? maybe starve the Russian shadow fleet to get Putin to the table? Or it's more get trade going again with Russia?

Interested to see what your take is or am I connecting dots that arnt there 🤣

 

[georgenorman]

Those text messages prove nothing at all about Tyler Robinson’s politics. Only that he says he has had enough of Kirk’s “hatred”.

You assume that means he must be left leaning but he could just as easily be angry with Kirk for other reasons. Maybe he felt his “hatred” was taking the right in the wrong direction and it needed to be taken in another, more positive direction.

We didn’t know in September and don’t know any more now. Making assertions based on assumptions helps no one. Wait until the trial.

The involvement of the team around Trump with the Russians is an established fact. As is Russian interference in both the 2016 US election and the Brexit referendum. Mueller did not exonerate Trump. He said his refusal to cooperate and obstruct meant that sufficient evidence wasn’t available to guarantee a successful prosecution. A prosecution that was stymied by Barr anyway. That’s no conspiracy theory. It’s factual.

I speculated about the Trump shooting in the immediate aftermath for the very obvious reason that it’s the kind of thing he would do and the kind of thing that his security is intended to prevent. Wearing that ridiculous bandage lent support to that. No pushing, just speculation that others too were raising. Speculation that quickly became unjustified. No big deal.

One of Wisbelch's most disgusting posts - and the bar is so high with him.

 

[FrankieD108]

Have you ever considered the possibility that those on the left are endowed with a greater sense of moral responsibility than those on the right? It being what leads them to being left thinking.

Never.

No more than those on the right should consider themselves endowed with a greater sense of moral superiority.

But thanks for proving the point about how folks like you in the US helped get Trump elected.

Honest, hard-working, intelligent, generous people are constantly being told they are racist, sexist and just plain dumb by those on the left... oh and now deficient in moral responsibility.

Sigh.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Like I said, we have already covered the Robinson evidence texts, notes, bullet casings and his anti-Kirk posts speak for themselves. Go read the 50 pages if you want. We have already discussed it. No need to go back over it.

They don’t “speak for themselves”. You are putting your biased spin on them. You start with assumptions and then make assertions based on them. Not the facts, because the facts remain unknown and may never be known. He seems to have been in a relationship with a transsexual and taken offence at Kirk’s outspoken opposition to transgenderism. That though doesn’t mean his politics were left leaning. You just assume they must be.

Honestly the audacity you have saying Charlie kirks assassination wasn't not left wing but in the same breath says Charlie Kirk was right wing with no proof 🤷🏻‍♂️

I have not said he was right wing! I have no more idea than you do. All I did was point out that he could be. It’s unknown.

CSIS 2025 report that shows Left wing attacks outnumber right wing for the first time in 30+ years, on pace for the left's most violent year in decades.
That's their data, not a "diversion." Predictable reactions don't change the stats.

I have no argument about data! You are the only one who has. Indeed you are refusing to even discuss the data I referenced.

What I have done is explain why, under a Trump led, extreme right, regime such data as you refer to is almost inevitable. It’s the difference between cause and effect. The cause of left wing violence rising are the actions of the Trump regime. The effect is to see it rising so far.

With a normal Presidency nothing would have changed.

 

[Jimenez]

One thing I'll give both Trump & RFK credit for is that prescription prices have plummeted from what they were last year. Three sets of eye drops this time last year were $128.00, this year $78.00 a saving of $50.00.

 

[eaglesdare]

How do you know that the alleged shooter of Kirk is left wing? He, and his family, are apparently Trump supporters, according to some who know them, although it is also said he isn’t really political at all. He is a gamer and some of the inscriptions on the bullets seem to echo game play.

Because Kirk was undoubtedly right wing you are assuming the only type that would shoot him must be from the left. I think it’s much more likely he was just mixed up in some way.

That there is increasing push back against the Trump regime is true, so it would not be surprising that some of that becomes violent. However to assume it must be all from the left is ridiculous. His base is becoming unhappy too. Fed up with rising prices, tax breaks to the rich and broken promises. That said it’s almost inevitable that such extreme a regime as the current one is will generate an extreme reaction. I would be surprised if it wasn’t just a 30 year record but an all time one. After all the regime is the all time worst!

You did say he was right wing 👍

 

[eaglesdare]

They don’t “speak for themselves”. You are putting your biased spin on them. You start with assumptions and then make assertions based on them. Not the facts, because the facts remain unknown and may never be known. He seems to have been in a relationship with a transsexual and taken offence at Kirk’s outspoken opposition to transgenderism. That though doesn’t mean his politics were left leaning. You just assume they must be.


I have not said he was right wing! I have no more idea than you do. All I did was point out that he could be. It’s unknown.

I have no argument about data! You are the only one who has. Indeed you are refusing to even discuss the data I referenced.

What I have done is explain why, under a Trump led, extreme right, regime such data as you refer to is almost inevitable. It’s the difference between cause and effect. The cause of left wing violence rising are the actions of the Trump regime. The effect is to see it rising so far.

With a normal Presidency nothing would have changed.

The evidence on Robinson is clear and documented his own words and actions point to left wing motives, not just personal offense. Assuming otherwise is your bias showing.

I just quoted where you said Charlie Kirk was undoubtedly right wing in my previous. 👍

As for the CSIS data, facts are facts and blaming "Trump regime" doesn't erase them or justify the surge in left wing violence.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Never.

No more than those on the right should consider themselves endowed with a greater sense of moral superiority.

But thanks for proving the point about how folks like you in the US helped get Trump elected.

Honest, hard-working, intelligent, generous people are constantly being told they are racist, sexist and just plain dumb by those on the left... oh and now deficient in moral responsibility.

Sigh.

Your response simply confirms the point!

You just cannot see the deficiency of morality in right wing politics, when compared to the left.

Put simply the right think of the individual whilst the left think collectively. The right think of self, the left of others.

Showing concern for the poor, the disadvantaged and the marginalised is universally regarded as moral.

Disregarding the welfare of the poor, the disadvantaged and marginalised isn’t.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

The evidence on Robinson is clear and documented his own words and actions point to left wing motives, not just personal offense. Assuming otherwise is your bias showing.

It’s only you making assumptions. As nothing has yet been officially confirmed assumptions are all that can possibly exist. I don’t know. Nor do you. Nor do any of the right wing media you probably use as your sources.

I just quoted where you said Charlie Kirk was undoubtedly right wing in my previous. 👍

Charlie Kirk was openly right wing. Do you suggest he wasn’t or there’s some doubt about it?

As for the CSIS data, facts are facts and blaming "Trump regime" doesn't erase them or justify the surge in left wing violence.

Who’s justifying anything?

I am rationalising the reasons. Separating the cause from the effect.

There’s never an excuse for violence, from anyone, whatever the provocation.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Your response simply confirms the point!

You just cannot see the deficiency of morality in right wing politics, when compared to the left.

Put simply the right think of the individual whilst the left think collectively. The right think of self, the left of others.

Showing concern for the poor, the disadvantaged and the marginalised is universally regarded as moral.

Disregarding the welfare of the poor, the disadvantaged and marginalised isn’t.

Sure. As displayed by Stalin, Mao, Castro, Kim il Sung, Ceausescu, etc.