US Politics

[georgenorman]

There have been a lot of comments in the days since Charlie Kirk’s murder seeking to blame the “left” for it. When the truth seems to be it was committed by a single person whose motives and inspiration remain unknown. Whether or not he had more sympathy for leftist ideas than right is irrelevant. What is important is what caused him to kill.

So what could that be? Charlie Kirk appears to have been an extremely divisive character. Loved by those who agreed with his politics and loathed by those who don’t.

The left are the group which doesn’t just tolerate social diversity. They recognise it’s existence as factual and accept everyone having the right to decide such things for themselves.

The right, or at least some of it, in contrast, will reluctantly tolerate social diversity when it’s demanded by the law. Otherwise the default is often rejection.

Homosexuals, tolerated. Transgenders, rejected. Abortion, accepted by some, tolerated by others yet rejected by many.

The right’s tendency to be less tolerant than the left is what lies at the root of this event. Not the left. Especially when the President of the USA is actively stoking the intolerance.

The righ’s intolerance leads to them wishing to impose their own social standards on others, rather than encouraging freedom of choice. Which is ironic given their enthusiasm for free speech.

This results in people feeling marginalised and angry. When intolerant people disregard who you are you are likely to become a little intolerant yourself.

Most will contain that, content in the knowledge it will pass, but some may not especially if they have problems. With the free availability of powerful guns, disasters such as we have seen can be the result.

This isn’t to excuse anyone or anything, it’s to try to understand and explain it.

Divisiveness and intolerance lie at the root of this issue. The root of the divisiveness and intolerance lies with Trump and those who blindly follow him. Not the left.

Trump needs to look in the mirror when seeking to apportion blame for the death of his friend.

Elsewhere I said that the Left is wrong about everything and along come four-homes with proof!

 

[Spindle]

There have been a lot of comments in the days since Charlie Kirk’s murder seeking to blame the “left” for it. When the truth seems to be it was committed by a single person whose motives and inspiration remain unknown. Whether or not he had more sympathy for leftist ideas than right is irrelevant. What is important is what caused him to kill.

So what could that be? Charlie Kirk appears to have been an extremely divisive character. Loved by those who agreed with his politics and loathed by those who don’t.

The left are the group which doesn’t just tolerate social diversity. They recognise it’s existence as factual and accept everyone having the right to decide such things for themselves.

The right, or at least some of it, in contrast, will reluctantly tolerate social diversity when it’s demanded by the law. Otherwise the default is often rejection.

Homosexuals, tolerated. Transgenders, rejected. Abortion, accepted by some, tolerated by others yet rejected by many.

The right’s tendency to be less tolerant than the left is what lies at the root of this event. Not the left. Especially when the President of the USA is actively stoking the intolerance.

The righ’s intolerance leads to them wishing to impose their own social standards on others, rather than encouraging freedom of choice. Which is ironic given their enthusiasm for free speech.

This results in people feeling marginalised and angry. When intolerant people disregard who you are you are likely to become a little intolerant yourself.

Most will contain that, content in the knowledge it will pass, but some may not especially if they have problems. With the free availability of powerful guns, disasters such as we have seen can be the result.

This isn’t to excuse anyone or anything, it’s to try to understand and explain it.

Divisiveness and intolerance lie at the root of this issue. The root of the divisiveness and intolerance lies with Trump and those who blindly follow him. Not the left.

Trump needs to look in the mirror when seeking to apportion blame for the death of his friend.

Christ that is some massive pile of bollocks.

"The left are tolerant of diversity"
"Wait, his views don't match ours, kill him"

 

[Stirlingsays]

Definitely a case of cancel culture turning around and biting the hands that fed it. Also an interesting, and apologies for the self-regarding nonsense, opportunity to consider how my own views have changed.

Once upon a time, and not too long ago, I would have railed against these people losing their jobs for just stating an opinion, no matter how vile that opinion was. But now? I am laughing. And wishing even worse for them.

Because whilst I would not be as silly as to go on social media and act the t*** should somebody I perceive to be from the Left got killed in a similar manner, I would still probably be cheered by it.

Scary times. And not making any kind of apologies about that btw because it is just how I see things now. But still...how the f*** did it get to this?

I get the sentiment but it's not a war over there.....yet.

So let's hope that no one gets murdered for political opinions left or right.

 

[eaglesdare]

Definitely a case of cancel culture turning around and biting the hands that fed it. Also an interesting, and apologies for the self-regarding nonsense, opportunity to consider how my own views have changed.

Once upon a time, and not too long ago, I would have railed against these people losing their jobs for just stating an opinion, no matter how vile that opinion was. But now? I am laughing. And wishing even worse for them.

Because whilst I would not be as silly as to go on social media and act the t*** should somebody I perceive to be from the Left got killed in a similar manner, I would still probably be cheered by it.

Scary times. And not making any kind of apologies about that btw because it is just how I see things now. But still...how the f*** did it get to this?

The key difference here with that is the Lefty's were looking and finding years old tweets of jokes to get someone fired and started cancel culture.

At the moment people are getting fired for currently openly cheering murder.

Currently I'm following the story of a doctor cheering in front a nurse that Charlie Kirk had died. The nurse said something like how can you do something like that and be a doctor. She reported it to supervisors and was then suspended. I'll dig out the story.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Definitely a case of cancel culture turning around and biting the hands that fed it. Also an interesting, and apologies for the self-regarding nonsense, opportunity to consider how my own views have changed.

Once upon a time, and not too long ago, I would have railed against these people losing their jobs for just stating an opinion, no matter how vile that opinion was. But now? I am laughing. And wishing even worse for them.

Because whilst I would not be as silly as to go on social media and act the t*** should somebody I perceive to be from the Left got killed in a similar manner, I would still probably be cheered by it.

Scary times. And not making any kind of apologies about that btw because it is just how I see things now. But still...how the f*** did it get to this?

It's the inevitable result of promoting the primacy of feelings over facts and logic.

 

[Spindle]

Newsflash

Man from Cornwall's head disappears up his own arse.

Hardly news. I would say a newsflash is when it pops out momentarily for another deep breath of air

 

[eaglesdare]

Weiterleitungshinweis

Here is the story. Honestly how can someone who is a doctor be cheering for someone's death. The left have really done a number on people.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Knew we would get there eventually.......blaming Trump for Charlie Kirks death. 🙄

No. Blaming Trump, and all the sycophants around him, for creating the circumstances in which this could happen.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Didn't you know that everytime Trump blinks someone dies of syphilis?

It's a unique skill he has.

Probably true, given the cuts to aid he has made.

 

[eaglesdare]

No. Blaming Trump, and all the sycophants around him, for creating the circumstances in which this could happen.

Grrrrrr Trump Trump Grrrrrr

 

[georgenorman]

Knew we would get there eventually.......blaming Trump for Charlie Kirks death. 🙄

Yes it's nonsense - everyone knows Brexit caused it.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Christ that is some massive pile of bollocks.

"The left are tolerant of diversity"
"Wait, his views don't match ours, kill him"

Why am I unsurprised at this comment? It rather confirms the point I have made.

The left being tolerant of social diversity doesn’t mean they will be of political intolerance of social diversity.

Nor does it mean that the “left” want to kill anyone. It just creates the circumstances when someone impacted might.

Show greater respect and tolerance of otherness and those others won’t have anything to be angry about and everyone can concentrate on the politics.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Weiterleitungshinweis

Here is the story. Honestly how can someone who is a doctor be cheering for someone's death. The left have really done a number on people.

How can you take the hippocratic oath and then be cheering the murder of someone.

That kind of partial emotionalism brings into question the matter of trust between professional and patient. What if he learned that someone he was treating had views he didn't like and he had to make a decision. Something is very wrong.

 

[eaglesdare]

How can you take the hippocratic oath and then be cheering the murder of someone.

That kind of partial emotionalism brings into question the matter of trust between professional and patient. What if he learned that someone he was treating had views he didn't like and he had to make a decision. Something is very wrong.

Precisely my thoughts. Does he check your social media likes before he makes that life saving incision?

I said previously that this assassination / murder has really dropped the mask on a lot of evil people out there.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Weiterleitungshinweis

Here is the story. Honestly how can someone who is a doctor be cheering for someone's death. The left have really done a number on people.

What on earth has this got to do with the “left”?

This was just one guy giving the kind of knee jerk comment heard in every day situations about controversial figures you don’t like. It wasn’t nice, was certainly ill advised and probably instantly regretted. That a colleague decided to report him, and then go on Fox News, says more about her than anything it really says about him.

And absolutely nothing at all about the “left”.

Trying to constantly make political points out of a murder is disgraceful.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Why am I unsurprised at this comment? It rather confirms the point I have made.

The left being tolerant of social diversity doesn’t mean they will be of political intolerance of social diversity.

Nor does it mean that the “left” want to kill anyone. It just creates the circumstances when someone impacted might.

Show greater respect and tolerance of otherness and those others won’t have anything to be angry about and everyone can concentrate on the politics.

Well, I've seen your opinions on here bring people to near threats of violence against you.

So your 'advice' is kind of ironic.

Your conclusion is utter tosh of course but that goes without saying.

 

[eaglesdare]

What on earth has this got to do with the “left”?

This was just one guy giving the kind of knee jerk comment heard in every day situations about controversial figures you don’t like. It wasn’t nice, was certainly ill advised and probably instantly regretted. That a colleague decided to report him, and then go on Fox News, says more about her than anything it really says about him.

And absolutely nothing at all about the “left”.

Trying to constantly make political points out of a murder is disgraceful.

It has everything to do with the left because the killer tyler robinson, was a radical left winger who hated Kirk for his conservative views 👍🏻

The doctor was cheerleading that Charlie Kirk had been murdered. That's the toxic leftism Kirk fought against for years.

Maybe you were one of the ones that was disappointed that the bullet did not take out Trump last year?

 

[Spindle]

No. Blaming Trump, and all the sycophants around him, for creating the circumstances in which this could happen.

Don't you think that having all this extreme feminism, constant emasculation, "the answer" for low pecking order men to not man up but to become women, the attack on marriage, the family unit and motherhood, the hatred of home nations, promotion of immense immigration and having weirdness rolled out as Draconian policy across the corporate world as a sea change, might have had anything to do with it?

Ever think that most people who were silent didn't want that? And that people might actually stand against it?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Well, I've seen your opinions on here bring people to near threats of violence against you.

So your 'advice' is kind of ironic.

Your conclusion is utter tosh of course but that goes without saying.

I disagree with far right politics but I disagree with far right social attitudes even more. I can tolerate the politics but not the social attitudes. However, I would never threaten, let alone use, violence to demonstrate that intolerance, because I hate violence as a means to determine things more than anything else. I believe in better arguments.

So if my opinions have resulted in people demonstrating their intolerance of others then perhaps, like Trump, they need to look in the mirror before criticising anyone else.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Trump says he would be minded to designate Antifa a terrorist organisation.

Everybody honest knows that Antifa are the Democrat's unofficial foot soldiers and joined with BLM to riot in cities for 18 months first time around. It's essentially the trash that took out Kirk and cheered and supported it.

If he does it things could finally be getting spicy......love a bit of spice.

Sparky, sparky, spark.