eaglesdare
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Tariffs on goods imported into the UK
How to check the tariff rates that apply to goods you import.
The UK have tariffs on imports. Maybe these should stop.
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The UK have tariffs on imports. Maybe these should stop.
Wisbech Eagle
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Our government is apparently trying to negotiate a trade deal with the USA in the wake of the Trump tariffs. This concerns me that we might agree to things that are definitely not in our interests, like accepting US standards on meat production.
I receive daily emails from Andrew Torba of Gab begging for money to maintain his “fight for free speech”. (Actually I suspect he is just making himself very rich). His attention recently being the UK’s On Line Safety Act and its potential effect on Gab. Today’s missive, if true, is revealing and concerning. It used to be available as a blog, but no longer, so here it is in full:-
“Dear Gab Community,
The battleground has shifted, and the stakes have been raised. Our relentless fight against the UK government's tyrannical Online Safety Act (OSA) has now intersected with crucial international trade negotiations between the United States and the United Kingdom. Thanks to your support our legal team has been able to make in-roads with communications on our behalf to the White House, the DOJ, and other relevant government agencies regarding our battle for free speech against the UK government. Thank you to those who have donated to support these efforts, you played a crucial role in helping us get to this point.
Reports confirm that the US government is actively pressuring the UK within these trade talks, demanding assurances that the draconian Online Safety Act will not cripple the operations of US-based digital platforms like Gab.
Here's the situation:
Why This Matters:
Our fight continues, regardless of these negotiations. We cannot rely on diplomats trading favors. We must continue to build our independent infrastructure, strengthen our legal defenses, and stand firm on our principles. The threat of massive fines and the outrageous possibility of criminal charges against individuals for upholding free speech remain potent weapons in the UK's arsenal.
This situation underscores the critical need for resources to navigate this complex international battle and withstand the ongoing attacks, including the economic warfare targeting our infrastructure providers.
The Fight Intensifies – Support Gab's Stand Against Global Censorship: [DONATE NOW]
(Reminder: US supporters can use standard payment methods. International supporters, due to the ongoing payment processor blockade likely linked to these attacks, please use the Bitcoin option on our donation page for now.)
The UK government has been put on notice, not just by Gab, but now seemingly by the US government within trade talks. Let's keep the pressure on. Your support ensures we can continue to lead this fight, expose the tyranny of the OSA, and defend Gab as a beacon for free speech worldwide.
Stay vigilant, stay vocal, stay free.
With unwavering resolve,
Andrew Torba and the Gab Team Christ is King”
I really hope our government stands firm and don’t capitulate. For those who are unaware of Gab take a look at their content. It’s easily found. Or read the Wiki:-
en.wikipedia.org
The idea that the US government would actually defend Gab sends shivers through me.
I receive daily emails from Andrew Torba of Gab begging for money to maintain his “fight for free speech”. (Actually I suspect he is just making himself very rich). His attention recently being the UK’s On Line Safety Act and its potential effect on Gab. Today’s missive, if true, is revealing and concerning. It used to be available as a blog, but no longer, so here it is in full:-
“Dear Gab Community,
The battleground has shifted, and the stakes have been raised. Our relentless fight against the UK government's tyrannical Online Safety Act (OSA) has now intersected with crucial international trade negotiations between the United States and the United Kingdom. Thanks to your support our legal team has been able to make in-roads with communications on our behalf to the White House, the DOJ, and other relevant government agencies regarding our battle for free speech against the UK government. Thank you to those who have donated to support these efforts, you played a crucial role in helping us get to this point.
Reports confirm that the US government is actively pressuring the UK within these trade talks, demanding assurances that the draconian Online Safety Act will not cripple the operations of US-based digital platforms like Gab.
Here's the situation:
- The US and UK are negotiating a significant trade deal, driven partly by the UK's desire to offset potential new US tariffs.
- A major sticking point is the UK's Online Safety Act – the very legislation demanding Gab implement censorship or face crippling fines (up to £18 million or 10% of global revenue) and even potential criminal charges against individuals like me!
- The US, historically protective of its tech companies (often citing principles similar to Section 230 which limits platform liability), is pushing back. They are reportedly seeking provisions in the trade deal that would prevent the UK from holding US platforms liable for user-generated content and imposing other restrictive measures mandated by the OSA.
Why This Matters:
- Validation: This confirms that the OSA isn't just a threat to Gab; it's recognized by the US government as a significant impediment to international commerce and potentially harmful to fundamental principles like free expression online. The concerns raised by Big Tech companies about privacy (like scanning messages) and over-censorship mirror our own warnings.
- Leverage: The UK's desire for a favorable trade deal gives the US leverage. This pressure could force the UK to reconsider or dilute the most harmful aspects of the OSA that target platforms like ours.
- The Core Conflict: This highlights the fundamental clash: The UK's authoritarian drive to control online speech versus the American principle (however imperfectly applied by Big Tech) of platform freedom and user expression. Gab stands firmly on the side of free speech.
Our fight continues, regardless of these negotiations. We cannot rely on diplomats trading favors. We must continue to build our independent infrastructure, strengthen our legal defenses, and stand firm on our principles. The threat of massive fines and the outrageous possibility of criminal charges against individuals for upholding free speech remain potent weapons in the UK's arsenal.
This situation underscores the critical need for resources to navigate this complex international battle and withstand the ongoing attacks, including the economic warfare targeting our infrastructure providers.
The Fight Intensifies – Support Gab's Stand Against Global Censorship: [DONATE NOW]
(Reminder: US supporters can use standard payment methods. International supporters, due to the ongoing payment processor blockade likely linked to these attacks, please use the Bitcoin option on our donation page for now.)
The UK government has been put on notice, not just by Gab, but now seemingly by the US government within trade talks. Let's keep the pressure on. Your support ensures we can continue to lead this fight, expose the tyranny of the OSA, and defend Gab as a beacon for free speech worldwide.
Stay vigilant, stay vocal, stay free.
With unwavering resolve,
Andrew Torba and the Gab Team Christ is King”
I really hope our government stands firm and don’t capitulate. For those who are unaware of Gab take a look at their content. It’s easily found. Or read the Wiki:-
Gab (social network) - Wikipedia
The idea that the US government would actually defend Gab sends shivers through me.
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The same thing can be levelled at you! Nobody knows how this will turn out. What we do know is that the media have been proved wrong on many occasions before.
Have you not looked at what’s happened to the markets?
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So what?
Jesus. This is like the Liz Truss episode all over again.
You MAGA loons just carry on living in your bubble and pretending all is fine.
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I think Trump will get some wins and some losses with these tranche of tariffs. For the record, I am pro free trade and against tariffs in general. However, there are times when they are necessary. Steel, tech and energy industries need to be protected for national security.
Trump already has one win. After announcing a 25% tariff on Mexico imports over immigration and fentanyl flows, Mexico sent 10,000 national guard troops to the border and extradited 29 cartel members to the US.
When the EU put tariffs up to 36.7% on Chinese electric vehicles in 2023 to protect jobs, that was fine!
I believe in democracy and people voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump and not a bunch of money men in Wall Street. That system screws the little guy and cares more about stock prices than wages. The system has been rigged against the working class for years. Markets don't like uncertainty but history has shown that they bounce back!
So does a recession. Which is what is now being widely predicted for the US.
Also love this misnomer that Donald Trump, billionaire ruthless capitalist Donald Trump, is supposed to care about the ‘little guy’.
eaglesdare
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If Trump cured cancer it would be bad 🤷🏻♂️
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I give you facts, reason and logic. You give me hyperbole.
Bloody hell. You’re the one ignoring the actual markets.
Never come across anything so cult like.
Eaglehamster
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Wouldn't be great if you could say that were true of Trump.
His "facts" are lies. The tariffs are not reciprical.
His logic is just plain wrong.
His reasons are very dubious indeed.
Stirlingsays
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We have heard....somewhat ironically considering the lack of criticism on Biden/Harris when in office.....that no one on Hol criticises Trump, but while I reserve judgement on whether Trump using trade tariffs makes long term sense for America I do want to raise the fact that I doubt the extent of his claims on trade balances.
I think he's using extreme and unfair interpretations to unfairly bully weaker nations......I believe that these imbalances exist and that he has a point on changing them, but I think he's exaggerating.
AA has an interesting thread on it.....You know someone on the right criticising Trump....which apparently doesn't happen.....again, the irony is total.
I think he's using extreme and unfair interpretations to unfairly bully weaker nations......I believe that these imbalances exist and that he has a point on changing them, but I think he's exaggerating.
AA has an interesting thread on it.....You know someone on the right criticising Trump....which apparently doesn't happen.....again, the irony is total.
eaglesdare
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Markets recover and bounce back. Just like after that "killer" virus shut down everything 🙄
The tariffs are temporary in my opinion. It's to get nations to get around the table and do a trade deal. As soon as the EU stop posturing and get round the table the better.
Stirlingsays
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Yep, which is why we need to be getting in there and taking what trade we can from the Americans from markets looking for more secure business.
Trump is doing what Trump does....some of it probably is justified but it's a hammer to crack a nut.
Eaglehamster
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Yep the EU's fault clearly. Jeeez!
Oh what table would that be? Looks like negotiations aren't on offer......
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The markets are not in charge. Trump works for the American people, not citizens of the UK who hold stocks and shares like you. You should have got financial advice as we knew it was coming and acted accordingly like me. 😊
Eaglehamster
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Oh and how will his actions help their pensions? How will the coming inflation help the American people?
The only people who benefit from him are Russian. Putin has probably ordered a week's solid partying.
Stirlingsays
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Obviously if what Trump has done here results in industry coming back to the US then of course it helps pensions. What matters for him is can he do it in a democratic cycle.
I think he might have gone too far but even I can think of that.
You can disagree with what he's doing but not to be able to understand what the logic is?
The only investments I hold like that are in a pension which I can’t touch for another 20 odd years anyway so I’m sheltered.
But good of you to show such concern about others that aren’t protected or can’t afford financial advice. Lovely bloke.
And the markets aren’t in charge but they’re a financial barometer of how certain policies go down. And these have gone down like a lead balloon on steroids.