Trump announces plan to hit UK, Denmark and other European countries with extra tariffs over Greenland

Stirlingsays said:
I'll make the point again....that before WW2 Britain was a superpower and that the left from before both world wars, during them and all the way after them.

The left did their very best to tear down the British empire, weaken it and even today celebrate its decline.

So when they complain about another superpower in the world and whine about what they want to happen instead.....it is their short sighted ideology which preferred this dim future to the British having any influence at all on world events.
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You hold some crazy ideas but this one has to be the most ridiculous.

Unless you believe that we ought not to have fought against the Nazis but instead just capitulated and become absorbed by them (a concept that given your politics seems entirely possible) then the outcome of WW2 was always going to result in the demise of the British Empire.

It had nothing at all to do with the “left”. A term that you apply to everyone who doesn’t share your belief in “social conservatism”, or whatever the current fig leaf is that Patriotic Alternative lookalikes use to try to cover those views that most find distasteful.

After fighting, and defeating, the Nazis we were economically ruined. We faced rising opposition from anti-colonial nationalist movements and a fast changing world order. Us being able to militarily defend our interests on a multitude of fronts with an exhausted army was impossible. So we had no other option other than to accept the time for change had arrived. A change that was not simply inevitable but also moral.

The “left” weren’t responsible. They weren’t even involved.
 
silvertop said:
Ha! Thatchers heart was reputed to sink every time Powell got to his feet at PMQs.
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It's certainly true that Powell disagreed with Thatcher on how the elite (of which he was one) should look upon those they ruled.

From Grok:

  • Powell: Saw society as an "organic entity" and civil society as a "fragile web of understood relationships" that, once lost (e.g., through internal divisions like racism or excessive state intervention), could not be recovered. He emphasized community ties—family, local patriotism, and voluntary efforts—over centralized state control, viewing the social contract as rooted in these organic bonds where individuals have a defined place in a hierarchical community. This implied a paternalistic duty for elites to preserve national cohesion and morale, rejecting socialist equalization in favor of the "strong help[ing] the weak" through targeted, means-tested aid rather than universal welfare.

  • Thatcher: Viewed society not as a fragile national web but as synonymous with broader, reawakenable values like "the spirit of trade" and self-reliance, drawing from "Western civilization." Her approach was less communal and more atomized, promoting an "enterprise culture" where the social contract encouraged individual responsibility and opportunity, challenging the "dependency culture" created by welfare.
    The big difference between them was in what the order of importance was.
    Powell believed that elites had a duty to safeguard the nation-state as the "ultimate political reality," prioritizing parliamentary sovereignty and national independence......Thatcher believed that elites were to foster an "enterprise culture" through policies like privatization, low taxes, and curbed union power, viewing their role as situational and strategic to promote individualism and wealth dispersal.

    Powell didn't think that could be achieved successfully and with cohesion without protecting the nation against changing demographics, while Thatcher thought that multiculturalism would work.


 
Stirlingsays said:
Powell: Saw society as .......... This implied a paternalistic duty for elites to preserve national cohesion and morale, rejecting socialist equalization in favor of the "strong help[ing] the weak" through targeted, means-tested aid rather than universal welfare.
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Powell was lock-step with N.I. Unionism. And therefore culpable of much of the two-tier society that sparked the Troubles.
His big 'rivers of blood' speech was all about non-brits arriving into the UK. But regarding Catholics in NI ? it was a case of non-brits who were already in situ for a couple thousand years. They were present much earlier than the UK came into their backyard. Powell never got remembered for anything to do with that particular river of blood.

anyhoo...........Trump, Greenland. I reckon Trump will succeed in his endeavours and shortly thereafter will either retire or get impeached by Congress. Cos he is clearly as mad as a box of frogs.
 
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PalazioVecchio said:
Powell was lock-step with N.I. Unionism. And therefore culpable of much of the two-tier society that sparked the Troubles.
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Unionism is Britain in Ireland....so of course he's going to be 'lock step with it. He's frigging English.

PalazioVecchio said:
His big 'rivers of blood' speech was all about non-brits arriving into the UK. But regarding Catholics in NI ? it was a case of non-brits who were already in situ for a couple thousand years. They were present much earlier than the UK came into their backyard. Powell never got remembered for anything to do with that particular river of blood.
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The British had been in Ireland since Cromwell and well, before that. Ireland would still probably be British if it wasn't for WW1. Regardless, you comparing all this to modern day third world invasions is absurd. The British and Irish are practically the same people fighting over which name the dirt they stand on is called.

Regardless of how any of us feel about it.....and I have unionist family so I'm not going to see things quite how you do.....that's all in the past.

The real Irish could well be a minority in their own country before that long.

That's nothing to do with Powell, that's something Powell would have never allowed to happen, unlike your own Irish leaders.

PalazioVecchio said:
anyhoo...........Trump, Greenland. I reckon Trump will succeed in his endeavours and shortly thereafter will either retire or get impeached by Congress. Cos he is clearly as mad as a box of frogs.
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Like someone still whining about unionist MPs.
 
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The totally unhinged big orange man baby having a totally normal one.

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Wisbech Eagle said:
You hold some crazy ideas but this one has to be the most ridiculous.

Unless you believe that we ought not to have fought against the Nazis but instead just capitulated and become absorbed by them (a concept that given your politics seems entirely possible) then the outcome of WW2 was always going to result in the demise of the British Empire.

It had nothing at all to do with the “left”. A term that you apply to everyone who doesn’t share your belief in “social conservatism”, or whatever the current fig leaf is that Patriotic Alternative lookalikes use to try to cover those views that most find distasteful.

After fighting, and defeating, the Nazis we were economically ruined. We faced rising opposition from anti-colonial nationalist movements and a fast changing world order. Us being able to militarily defend our interests on a multitude of fronts with an exhausted army was impossible. So we had no other option other than to accept the time for change had arrived. A change that was not simply inevitable but also moral.

The “left” weren’t responsible. They weren’t even involved.
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It's people like you who have ruined the country.

You don't really understand my positions or if you do what you interpret is such a reductionist view, that it's like a circus mirror of accuracy. So of course you think the opposite to me.....you are part of the problem.

Thankfully your politics is on the way out....but the damage done is generational, we will see if it's fatal.
 
eaglesdare said:
I am of the same opinion. I'm not a fan of the whole Greenland thing.

I have my suspicions that usually Trump starts aggressive on negotiations but then comes to some sort of agreement with what he actually wants.
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Very difficult to come to a compromise as to who runs a country.
 
Matov said:
So Europeans should unite to drive out foreign invaders? I could not agree more. Pleased to have you onboard for the only fight that truly matters.

AUSLANDER RAUS!
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If ever there was any doubt about the direction of travel on this site.

All together now, after three, all chant......

Anybody not on board here?
 
PalazioVecchio said:
Powell was lock-step with N.I. Unionism. And therefore culpable of much of the two-tier society that sparked the Troubles.
His big 'rivers of blood' speech was all about non-brits arriving into the UK. But regarding Catholics in NI ? it was a case of non-brits who were already in situ for a couple thousand years. They were present much earlier than the UK came into their backyard. Powell never got remembered for anything to do with that particular river of blood.

anyhoo...........Trump, Greenland. I reckon Trump will succeed in his endeavours and shortly thereafter will either retire or get impeached by Congress. Cos he is clearly as mad as a box of frogs.
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I was working in Maydown while he was MP, I wish I'd known more about him clearly an individual with some depth and a military man.
 
Stirlingsays said:
I'm not on Trump's side on Greenland at all.

Still Trump going there is always popcorn viewing.
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I'll take Trump over the ghouls who run Western Europe, and this country all day long.

Trump might be taking big risks over Greenland, but he knows that Europe is now controlled by a syndicate of Leftists who are systematically destroying it.
 
On Wall Street they have an acronym to sum up Trump and his ways it is TACO which stands for Trump always chickens out. We have seen this negotiating tactic before which tries to force others to ask for better conditions and baby can have what he wants if he doesn't blub anymore.No wonder the world is in a mess.
 
silvertop said:
Is the correct reaction.

He is clearly unhinged. Absolute power has corrupted absolutely.
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Have you seen our government lately?
 
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