Trepidation for the 26/27 Prem season ?

So, we seek a team composed of 11 x Will Hughes who gel perfectly?

The disappointment for me is the academy. It works so well with the international model; but we are not seeing the hoped for conveyer-belt of talented youth who have played collectively for years before they ascend to the first XI.
I'm saying I have no problem in us having a squad in which the majority of players, and the core of the team, are established top flight players of modest value and little sell-on potential, but who form a reliable and consistent base. We had that before and we were no worse off. Around that we can leave space for two or three possible future stars and, as you say, also for some academy products.

I'm saying that gambling on young potential could not have gone any better than it did last time around, could easily go badly next time around, and hasn't changed our world at all.

Christ, I said that in a paragraph. Why didn't I just do that the first time?! 🙂
 
I think in general us old buggers will just take possible relegation in our stride, been there done that several times, seen it all before, but to some younger fans with their social media channels and pages who live and breath it, well they’ll all be heading for beachy head with a one way ticket to the bottom if the worst does happen 🤣
Or just change allegiances to the nearest PL team.
 
So, we seek a team composed of 11 x Will Hughes who gel perfectly?

The disappointment for me is the academy. It works so well with the international model; but we are not seeing the hoped for conveyer-belt of talented youth who have played collectively for years before they ascend to the first XI.
I’m not sure anyone’s academy produces conveyor belt of talented youth who make it into the first team. Maybe Barcelona. Realistically if it is producing decent championship players it is doing its job. That’s what it seems to be doing with the likes of Ozoh, Imray and JRS. The bar is simply so high to get first team football in the EPL and like most clubs we can’t afford the time to develop players into an EPL season. If we get one first team player every 5-10 years then that’s a bonus.
 
So, we seek a team composed of 11 x Will Hughes who gel perfectly?

The disappointment for me is the academy. It works so well with the international model; but we are not seeing the hoped for conveyer-belt of talented youth who have played collectively for years before they ascend to the first XI.
It's still very early days of our upgraded Cat A Academy. As we are increasingly seeing, our better young (U17) talent is being poached by the big boys. That was hardly happening before. What it is saying is that we are beginning to attract very good youngsters. The hope is we can keep some of them long enough to get them onto a professional contract (as has, fortunately, happened with Drakes-Thomas). In the meantime we are doing to others what the big boys are doing to us and bringing in teenage talent we've poached from clubs further down the food chain. Sadly, the football food chain exists at every level. Fortunately for us, we've been in the PL long enough to be at a level in the food chain we could only have dreamt of in the past.

Hopefully, Sage will give Drakes-Thomas enough game time to keep him happy. Yes, he may well be gone in 2 or 3 years or so but at least we'll get a decent amount for him if he continues to fulfil his potential and it will show other young footballers that there's a path the the 1st team at Palace that can lead to bigger things.
 
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I'm saying I have no problem in us having a squad in which the majority of players, and the core of the team, are established top flight players of modest value and little sell-on potential, but who form a reliable and consistent base. We had that before and we were no worse off. Around that we can leave space for two or three possible future stars and, as you say, also for some academy products.

I'm saying that gambling on young potential could not have gone any better than it did last time around, could easily go badly next time around, and hasn't changed our world at all.

Christ, I said that in a paragraph. Why didn't I just do that the first time?! 🙂
I wasn't challenging your view I was agreeing with it.
 
If the sale of Lacroix has taught us anything it’s that it’s no longer safe to dismiss all transfer speculation as ‘click bait.’

Lacroix had 3 years on his contract and his situation was very different to situations surrounding Eze, Olise and Guehi.
As he was celebrating amongst the fans after our European win as vice captain and key performer a move for him would have been very difficult to forecast.
If there was a release clause I’m sure his representatives would have leaked this.

Accordingly when moves are mooted for Wharton, Sarr or Munoz ( who are all under contract) I no longer feel safe to claim that the stories are nonsense.

I have on occasions been critical of our approach to transfer windows.
Notwithstanding this , any criticism should be tempered by the realisation in each window we have to wait for the top clubs to determine which of our players they may like.
If Man Utd come in for Sarr tomorrow or Barcelona for Munoz, in all likelihood they will go.
Bournemouth are in a similar position with Scott, Villa with Konsa and Newcastle with Bruno.
The message to fans is suck it up, take up your memberships and season tickets and when you turn up at the ground we’ll turn you upside down to see to see if there’s any lose change that we can extract.
 
If the sale of Lacroix has taught us anything it’s that it’s no longer safe to dismiss all transfer speculation as ‘click bait.’

Lacroix had 3 years on his contract and his situation was very different to situations surrounding Eze, Olise and Guehi.
As he was celebrating amongst the fans after our European win as vice captain and key performer a move for him would have been very difficult to forecast.
If there was a release clause I’m sure his representatives would have leaked this.

Accordingly when moves are mooted for Wharton, Sarr or Munoz ( who are all under contract) I no longer feel safe to claim that the stories are nonsense.

I have on occasions been critical of our approach to transfer windows.
Notwithstanding this , any criticism should be tempered by the realisation in each window we have to wait for the top clubs to determine which of our players they may like.
If Man Utd come in for Sarr tomorrow or Barcelona for Munoz, in all likelihood they will go.
Bournemouth are in a similar position with Scott, Villa with Konsa and Newcastle with Bruno.
The message to fans is suck it up, take up your memberships and season tickets and when you turn up at the ground we’ll turn you upside down to see to see if there’s any lose change that we can extract.
Yep. What other entertainment business asks you to pay months in advance for a (season) ticket before you know what performers you will be watching?!

Plus, how many sports industries feel they can continue to sell expensive tickets for a competition in which the winners will only ever be from the same small pool, and you are buying tickets for one of the participants who will only ever be there to make up the numbers?

There have always been bigger clubs and smaller ones, but there was always the hope that in the long term a smaller one could overtake a bigger one if the former did its business well and the latter did it badly. That is what has died in modern football.
 
If the sale of Lacroix has taught us anything it’s that it’s no longer safe to dismiss all transfer speculation as ‘click bait.’

Lacroix had 3 years on his contract and his situation was very different to situations surrounding Eze, Olise and Guehi.
As he was celebrating amongst the fans after our European win as vice captain and key performer a move for him would have been very difficult to forecast.
If there was a release clause I’m sure his representatives would have leaked this.

Accordingly when moves are mooted for Wharton, Sarr or Munoz ( who are all under contract) I no longer feel safe to claim that the stories are nonsense.

I have on occasions been critical of our approach to transfer windows.
Notwithstanding this , any criticism should be tempered by the realisation in each window we have to wait for the top clubs to determine which of our players they may like.
If Man Utd come in for Sarr tomorrow or Barcelona for Munoz, in all likelihood they will go.
Bournemouth are in a similar position with Scott, Villa with Konsa and Newcastle with Bruno.
The message to fans is suck it up, take up your memberships and season tickets and when you turn up at the ground we’ll turn you upside down to see to see if there’s any lose change that we can extract.
Lacroix leaving doesn't surprise me, I get the impression Parish will cash in on any player if the offer meets his approval. It just so happens that it's our, surprise surprise, best players that have left and therefore replacing them needs quality scouting and recruitment which, imho, we don't currently have. What does this mean for Monsieur Sage, particularly in light of his replacing a successful manager and trying to make his own stamp on the team? The first 5 or 6 games will tell us what we need to know.
 
I'm saying I have no problem in us having a squad in which the majority of players, and the core of the team, are established top flight players of modest value and little sell-on potential, but who form a reliable and consistent base. We had that before and we were no worse off. Around that we can leave space for two or three possible future stars and, as you say, also for some academy products.

I'm saying that gambling on young potential could not have gone any better than it did last time around, could easily go badly next time around, and hasn't changed our world at all.

Christ, I said that in a paragraph. Why didn't I just do that the first time?! 🙂
Well I for one enjoyed the long post as well!! I have already announced and explained my lingering trepidation for the forthcoming season, as with every season, but currently I am suffering from a high dose of apathy as well. It comes from the closed-shop situation as called-out in TBTP's post. It beggers belief that the established so-called big-six, despite being run like a circus simply strip players from those challengers with ambition. Obviously it's just about the money as the players that go to tese clubs are happy to warm the bench as part of a huge squad. All that crap about "increasing my chance of an international cap" is just that, crap.
Maybe i'm just overcome with apathy at the moment because so far there is no sign that the squad is potentially being strenthend either with good sound players or a new "jewel". In saying this I am not jealous of all the current purchases being made by the non-big-six because they are just as big risks as any we successfully got over the line.
 
Well I for one enjoyed the long post as well!! I have already announced and explained my lingering trepidation for the forthcoming season, as with every season, but currently I am suffering from a high dose of apathy as well. It comes from the closed-shop situation as called-out in TBTP's post. It beggers belief that the established so-called big-six, despite being run like a circus simply strip players from those challengers with ambition. Obviously it's just about the money as the players that go to tese clubs are happy to warm the bench as part of a huge squad. All that crap about "increasing my chance of an international cap" is just that, crap.
Maybe i'm just overcome with apathy at the moment because so far there is no sign that the squad is potentially being strenthend either with good sound players or a new "jewel". In saying this I am not jealous of all the current purchases being made by the non-big-six because they are just as big risks as any we successfully got over the line.
As much chance of getting a call up (unless your name is Wharton or Mitchell) as with any of the top 6. 12 we fielded for the WC.

However, if I was offered the chance to triple my wages, I would go, pine rider or not.
 
As the great Bob Marley said.
Don't worry about a thing
Because every little thing is going to be all right 🦅🦅🦅🦅🏆🏆🏆
He wrote some good songs but the fella barely had a pupil in his eye half the time, so possibly not my go-to medium term strategist!

Plus, he never saw Brennan Johnson in 'action'. Perhaps if he had, he'd have changed it to 'Worry a little bit, actually' 🙂
 
Sage isn't really resonating with me. Fans excited, interested in him? It all feels so temporary frankly.
The following is what I messaged on HOL on 20 January 2026 :

"Last night in a text message someone mentioned the name 'Matthias Jaissle', erstwhile manager of Red Bull Salzburg, currently Head Coach of Al-Ahli in S.Arabia"
 
Lacroix leaving doesn't surprise me, I get the impression Parish will cash in on any player if the offer meets his approval. It just so happens that it's our, surprise surprise, best players that have left and therefore replacing them needs quality scouting and recruitment which, imho, we don't currently have. What does this mean for Monsieur Sage, particularly in light of his replacing a successful manager and trying to make his own stamp on the team? The first 5 or 6 games will tell us what we need to know.
I suggest we'll need more than that given the disruption to pre-season and the limited time he'll have with the main bunch before the season start.
 
Agreed on two different points here.

Firstly, Palace can do all the homework in the world and not come up with a hot streak of recruitment success like we had when we brought in Olise, Eze, Guehi etc. Every transfer is a gamble, especially when dealing in young players you hope will step up and then develop. Just those three names alone are the Man City and England centre back, the Arsenal No10 and the Bayern (possibly soon Madrid) and France No10. You could try for a hundred years and not get that lucky again. Nobody could seriously criticise the scouting team for failing to find another future Ballon d'Or candidate in the lower leagues. We cannot use the last few years as a recruitment yardstick. Whoever we sign going forward will not be as good as that lot.

Secondly, people don't talk about Villa enough. Newcastle are the go-to example to prove to the naysayers that FFP and SCR are real and prevent clubs much bigger than us from ever seriously kicking on, but look at Villa, too. Huge club, with owners who must be ambitious and willing to invest as they are just rebuilding a massive stand behind the goal. They have just won the Europa League, will be in the Champions League next year, again, and yet have to sell their best player. Not only that, they have to sell him to a direct rival for a champions league place. Not only that, the rival can afford to buy him despite running themselves like a f***ing circus for years. There is no reward whatsoever for Villa's acumen and achievements and no punishment at all for Chelsea's incompetence and failure. It is a closed shop.

Pulling these two observations together: Palace could not have recruited better than they did, but in terms of the overall status of the club it made little difference in the end. We finished midtable like we always did anyway. We won the FA Cup, but we were a kick away from winning it before under Pardew so I don't think that is an achievement we can attribute directly to developing young talent. We even won this ridiculous conference league thing (and it is absolutely f***ing ridiculous, by the way) and in so doing got into the Europa League, but can we keep our players? No chance. The whole chapter was highly enjoyable, but we cannot mistake that for Palace moving up to the 'next level'. Like Villa and Newcastle we have found in our own way that modern football prevents progress or change at the top end.

All you can hope for is to achieve the best that a club of your status can. For Villa or Newcastle that is to qualify for the Champions League once or twice in a generation. For us, that's winning a domestic cup once in a century, and a novelty European campaign. Make the most of it, because we will not be back soon as it all happens against a backdrop of unprecedented churn. The better the team performs, the quicker and more often it gets broken up. It gets broken up so that the clubs you hope to catch up to can get further away from you, even if they fail to preform and you perform very well.

In a funny way I actually think our best bet is to embrace the absence of star quality in our ranks. Would we want another wave of promising talent? It seems just to accelerate the churn, which in turn seems to destabilise the team. The more star players you have, the more often you will sell them. Every time we have to rebuild, we risk it not going well.

If we had a squad largely made of good, but not star, players who the big clubs didn't want, would we actually be worse off? Never mind French teenagers and highly regarded youth players at £10-20m a pop, half of whom fail anyway. I don't mind Palace going for solid, unspectacular players with no real sell-on value who will give us a reliable base and who will still f***ing be here next year and the year after.

Obviously, doing that would limit our potential, but gambling on 'the next big thing' players doesn't get you anywhere new or better even when the gamble pays off. So why take those risks?

For me, the whole experiment in this model of player trading is returning mixed results. What we are now seeing is the downside of it. Every fucker leaves, and few of us have much faith that those who remain or who we might bring in to replace them can fill their boots. It is now at the stage when the second-tier players such as Lacroix and Mateta will be gone.

Never mind asking who we can sell at a profit to reinvest, look at the squad and ask who can we rely on?

Addressing that must be the recruitment priority.
Bang on but id caveat that there does need to be young players with sell on value bought just for financial relief
 

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