Trepidation for the 26/27 Prem season ?

It can’t be factually correct just your opinion (a valid one). Still 2 weeks till the first game 😬
The factually correct elements are the more challenging European competition and a new coaching setup with the arrival of Sage, his assistant and his coaches.
Apropos the strength of the squad in relation to last season, this of course is open to debate and I suspect many believe that at this juncture it is weaker.
 
So basically we are weaker than last season, playing in a tougher European league.. with a new coaching setup...
Yes I’ve already booked the week off work for the Europa league final next year just incase, but I’m pretty confident I’m going to be cancelling it, which will please the wife, she wants to go to fuengri fenger frenger the Costa del Sol 🤣
 
So, the upcoming season is no.60 for me.

The trepidation I feel is around the current squad - I'm not going to rehash that as others have already articulated it.

I'll add to that my concern about the players returning from the World Cup. If you remember the poor form / run of two years ago post Euros and also going back further to the 2022 World Cup, things did not go well for us.

Arguably we are more dependant now on those returning players because I for one have little confidence in the squad players - but again that's been discussed already.

So I think good will look like staying up come next May. Which I think we will.
 
There does seem to be disquiet,alarm and despondency apropos our prospects this season.
What has entered my mind was a supporter whose message to me not too long ago,which I shared on HOL, was that Sage will have departed by December to be replaced by Dyche !
The season is some 3 weeks away and the 'Transfer Window' does not close until 01 Sep, accordingly ample time to bolster our ranks.
 
I think in general us old buggers will just take possible relegation in our stride, been there done that several times, seen it all before, but to some younger fans with their social media channels and pages who live and breath it, well they’ll all be heading for beachy head with a one way ticket to the bottom if the worst does happen 🤣
 
The factually correct elements are the more challenging European competition and a new coaching setup with the arrival of Sage, his assistant and his coaches.
Apropos the strength of the squad in relation to last season, this of course is open to debate and I suspect many believe that at this juncture it is weaker.
In relation to your last paragraph, this time last season many on here were looking for a top 8 finish, with some opining that Champions League was possible.

Nobody is suggesting this is remotely possible for the new season with many content with staying up as the objective.

What a difference a year makes.
In that year we've lost Eze, Guehi and Lacroix (so far), and while some will say wait until the end of this window, I very much doubt we will be bringing in players of equivalent quality.

This is not necessarily a criticism of the club.
If clubs like Villa and Newcastle can lose Rogers, Gordon and Tonali why should Palace be any different.
Don't be surprised if Arsenal also add Bruno G and Konsa too.
 
What a difference a year makes.
In that year we've lost Eze, Guehi and Lacroix (so far), and while some will say wait until the end of this window, I very much doubt we will be bringing in players of equivalent quality.

if the newcomers were even 60% as good as them, then we would be fine. Sadly i now severely doubt our new-player-recruitment department.
 
I don't think squad depth will matter all that much, as I don't expect us to go anything like as deep into European competition as we did last season. It's a significant step up and we have a weaker side, especially once Mateta leaves, which he surely will.

That's the big concern for me: the first XI isn't all that good. A lot of people have said that the current team is much the same as the team that won the conference league, but I'm not reassured by that very much.

For one thing, the team will be weaker. By the end of last year we had Richards, Lacroix, and one of either Riad or Canvot. That's a back three with two senior players, including a good one in the middle, guiding a youngster on the left.

Instead, we will have a slightly less good player (Richards) promoted to the most senior position in the middle, which we haven't seen him in, trying to guide two players who haven't shown they can perform week in week out.

The forward line will be weaker if Mateta goes and Larsen plays instead. And that seems likely.

More to the point, we didn't have a particularly impressive team last year. We won the conference but that is a very low standard. In the league the team really struggled to score goals. Pino had some good moments in Europe but he was frequently awful in the league. There is not much more to say about Johnson. Nketiah hasn't happened at all. Esse, Franca, Rak Sakhi have done nothing whatsoever. Without Sarr we carry almost no threat. Lots of people seem strangely confident that Pino and/or one or two others named above will come good. I hope that's the case, but see little reason to expect it.

The thought that gave me hope was that Sage would change the system of play and, in so doing, maybe unlock something in some of these players, but he seems set on playing the same formation as Glasner. Very few of these forwards thrived in that shape last year.

In other words, it looks like the same set up with lesser players, and with many who previously struggled in it.

Not sure that's true. Europa league is an 8 game group stage (Sept to Jan 2027) and potentially a play off stage (if we finish 9th to 24th). Although there are some decent teams about half have to qualify so are not dissimilar standard to conf league last year.

I think we will finish in the top 24 (out of 36). So that's 10 games minimum.

Last year in the conf we played 17 but this was spread between August and May and crucially we didn't have any games in January when our fixtures issues and weak squad really caught up with us.

Europa has 2 games i January.
 
I think in general us old buggers will just take possible relegation in our stride, been there done that several times, seen it all before, but to some younger fans with their social media channels and pages who live and breath it, well they’ll all be heading for beachy head with a one way ticket to the bottom if the worst does happen 🤣
It's alright. There's a load of West Ham supporters already at the bottom, so they'll cushion the fall.
 
What a difference a year makes.
In that year we've lost Eze, Guehi and Lacroix (so far), and while some will say wait until the end of this window, I very much doubt we will be bringing in players of equivalent quality.

This is not necessarily a criticism of the club.
If clubs like Villa and Newcastle can lose Rogers, Gordon and Tonali why should Palace be any different.
Don't be surprised if Arsenal also add Bruno G and Konsa too.
Agreed on two different points here.

Firstly, Palace can do all the homework in the world and not come up with a hot streak of recruitment success like we had when we brought in Olise, Eze, Guehi etc. Every transfer is a gamble, especially when dealing in young players you hope will step up and then develop. Just those three names alone are the Man City and England centre back, the Arsenal No10 and the Bayern (possibly soon Madrid) and France No10. You could try for a hundred years and not get that lucky again. Nobody could seriously criticise the scouting team for failing to find another future Ballon d'Or candidate in the lower leagues. We cannot use the last few years as a recruitment yardstick. Whoever we sign going forward will not be as good as that lot.

Secondly, people don't talk about Villa enough. Newcastle are the go-to example to prove to the naysayers that FFP and SCR are real and prevent clubs much bigger than us from ever seriously kicking on, but look at Villa, too. Huge club, with owners who must be ambitious and willing to invest as they are just rebuilding a massive stand behind the goal. They have just won the Europa League, will be in the Champions League next year, again, and yet have to sell their best player. Not only that, they have to sell him to a direct rival for a champions league place. Not only that, the rival can afford to buy him despite running themselves like a f***ing circus for years. There is no reward whatsoever for Villa's acumen and achievements and no punishment at all for Chelsea's incompetence and failure. It is a closed shop.

Pulling these two observations together: Palace could not have recruited better than they did, but in terms of the overall status of the club it made little difference in the end. We finished midtable like we always did anyway. We won the FA Cup, but we were a kick away from winning it before under Pardew so I don't think that is an achievement we can attribute directly to developing young talent. We even won this ridiculous conference league thing (and it is absolutely f***ing ridiculous, by the way) and in so doing got into the Europa League, but can we keep our players? No chance. The whole chapter was highly enjoyable, but we cannot mistake that for Palace moving up to the 'next level'. Like Villa and Newcastle we have found in our own way that modern football prevents progress or change at the top end.

All you can hope for is to achieve the best that a club of your status can. For Villa or Newcastle that is to qualify for the Champions League once or twice in a generation. For us, that's winning a domestic cup once in a century, and a novelty European campaign. Make the most of it, because we will not be back soon as it all happens against a backdrop of unprecedented churn. The better the team performs, the quicker and more often it gets broken up. It gets broken up so that the clubs you hope to catch up to can get further away from you, even if they fail to preform and you perform very well.

In a funny way I actually think our best bet is to embrace the absence of star quality in our ranks. Would we want another wave of promising talent? It seems just to accelerate the churn, which in turn seems to destabilise the team. The more star players you have, the more often you will sell them. Every time we have to rebuild, we risk it not going well.

If we had a squad largely made of good, but not star, players who the big clubs didn't want, would we actually be worse off? Never mind French teenagers and highly regarded youth players at £10-20m a pop, half of whom fail anyway. I don't mind Palace going for solid, unspectacular players with no real sell-on value who will give us a reliable base and who will still f***ing be here next year and the year after.

Obviously, doing that would limit our potential, but gambling on 'the next big thing' players doesn't get you anywhere new or better even when the gamble pays off. So why take those risks?

For me, the whole experiment in this model of player trading is returning mixed results. What we are now seeing is the downside of it. Every fucker leaves, and few of us have much faith that those who remain or who we might bring in to replace them can fill their boots. It is now at the stage when the second-tier players such as Lacroix and Mateta will be gone.

Never mind asking who we can sell at a profit to reinvest, look at the squad and ask who can we rely on?

Addressing that must be the recruitment priority.
 
Agreed on two different points here.

Firstly, Palace can do all the homework in the world and not come up with a hot streak of recruitment success like we had when we brought in Olise, Eze, Guehi etc. Every transfer is a gamble, especially when dealing in young players you hope will step up and then develop. Just those three names alone are the Man City and England centre back, the Arsenal No10 and the Bayern (possibly soon Madrid) and France No10. You could try for a hundred years and not get that lucky again. Nobody could seriously criticise the scouting team for failing to find another future Ballon d'Or candidate in the lower leagues. We cannot use the last few years as a recruitment yardstick. Whoever we sign going forward will not be as good as that lot.

Secondly, people don't talk about Villa enough. Newcastle are the go-to example to prove to the naysayers that FFP and SCR are real and prevent clubs much bigger than us from ever seriously kicking on, but look at Villa, too. Huge club, with owners who must be ambitious and willing to invest as they are just rebuilding a massive stand behind the goal. They have just won the Europa League, will be in the Champions League next year, again, and yet have to sell their best player. Not only that, they have to sell him to a direct rival for a champions league place. Not only that, the rival can afford to buy him despite running themselves like a f***ing circus for years. There is no reward whatsoever for Villa's acumen and achievements and no punishment at all for Chelsea's incompetence and failure. It is a closed shop.

Pulling these two observations together: Palace could not have recruited better than they did, but in terms of the overall status of the club it made little difference in the end. We finished midtable like we always did anyway. We won the FA Cup, but we were a kick away from winning it before under Pardew so I don't think that is an achievement we can attribute directly to developing young talent. We even won this ridiculous conference league thing (and it is absolutely f***ing ridiculous, by the way) and in so doing got into the Europa League, but can we keep our players? No chance. The whole chapter was highly enjoyable, but we cannot mistake that for Palace moving up to the 'next level'. Like Villa and Newcastle we have found in our own way that modern football prevents progress or change at the top end.

All you can hope for is to achieve the best that a club of your status can. For Villa or Newcastle that is to qualify for the Champions League once or twice in a generation. For us, that's winning a domestic cup once in a century, and a novelty European campaign. Make the most of it, because we will not be back soon as it all happens against a backdrop of unprecedented churn. The better the team performs, the quicker and more often it gets broken up. It gets broken up so that the clubs you hope to catch up to can get further away from you, even if they fail to preform and you perform very well.

In a funny way I actually think our best bet is to embrace the absence of star quality in our ranks. Would we want another wave of promising talent? It seems just to accelerate the churn, which in turn seems to destabilise the team. The more star players you have, the more often you will sell them. Every time we have to rebuild, we risk it not going well.

If we had a squad largely made of good, but not star, players who the big clubs didn't want, would we actually be worse off? Never mind French teenagers and highly regarded youth players at £10-20m a pop, half of whom fail anyway. I don't mind Palace going for solid, unspectacular players with no real sell-on value who will give us a reliable base and who will still f***ing be here next year and the year after.

Obviously, doing that would limit our potential, but gambling on 'the next big thing' players doesn't get you anywhere new or better even when the gamble pays off. So why take those risks?

For me, the whole experiment in this model of player trading is returning mixed results. What we are now seeing is the downside of it. Every fucker leaves, and few of us have much faith that those who remain or who we might bring in to replace them can fill their boots. It is now at the stage when the second-tier players such as Lacroix and Mateta will be gone.

Never mind asking who we can sell at a profit to reinvest, look at the squad and ask who can we rely on?

Addressing that must be the recruitment priority.
Sadly a very realistic (if lengthy!) appraisal of where we are.
With regard to the penultimate paragraph we may have to rely on our players who nobody else seems to want (e.g Hughes,Richards, Mirchell)!
 
Agreed on two different points here.

Firstly, Palace can do all the homework in the world and not come up with a hot streak of recruitment success like we had when we brought in Olise, Eze, Guehi etc. Every transfer is a gamble, especially when dealing in young players you hope will step up and then develop. Just those three names alone are the Man City and England centre back, the Arsenal No10 and the Bayern (possibly soon Madrid) and France No10. You could try for a hundred years and not get that lucky again. Nobody could seriously criticise the scouting team for failing to find another future Ballon d'Or candidate in the lower leagues. We cannot use the last few years as a recruitment yardstick. Whoever we sign going forward will not be as good as that lot.

Secondly, people don't talk about Villa enough. Newcastle are the go-to example to prove to the naysayers that FFP and SCR are real and prevent clubs much bigger than us from ever seriously kicking on, but look at Villa, too. Huge club, with owners who must be ambitious and willing to invest as they are just rebuilding a massive stand behind the goal. They have just won the Europa League, will be in the Champions League next year, again, and yet have to sell their best player. Not only that, they have to sell him to a direct rival for a champions league place. Not only that, the rival can afford to buy him despite running themselves like a f***ing circus for years. There is no reward whatsoever for Villa's acumen and achievements and no punishment at all for Chelsea's incompetence and failure. It is a closed shop.

Pulling these two observations together: Palace could not have recruited better than they did, but in terms of the overall status of the club it made little difference in the end. We finished midtable like we always did anyway. We won the FA Cup, but we were a kick away from winning it before under Pardew so I don't think that is an achievement we can attribute directly to developing young talent. We even won this ridiculous conference league thing (and it is absolutely f***ing ridiculous, by the way) and in so doing got into the Europa League, but can we keep our players? No chance. The whole chapter was highly enjoyable, but we cannot mistake that for Palace moving up to the 'next level'. Like Villa and Newcastle we have found in our own way that modern football prevents progress or change at the top end.

All you can hope for is to achieve the best that a club of your status can. For Villa or Newcastle that is to qualify for the Champions League once or twice in a generation. For us, that's winning a domestic cup once in a century, and a novelty European campaign. Make the most of it, because we will not be back soon as it all happens against a backdrop of unprecedented churn. The better the team performs, the quicker and more often it gets broken up. It gets broken up so that the clubs you hope to catch up to can get further away from you, even if they fail to preform and you perform very well.

In a funny way I actually think our best bet is to embrace the absence of star quality in our ranks. Would we want another wave of promising talent? It seems just to accelerate the churn, which in turn seems to destabilise the team. The more star players you have, the more often you will sell them. Every time we have to rebuild, we risk it not going well.

If we had a squad largely made of good, but not star, players who the big clubs didn't want, would we actually be worse off? Never mind French teenagers and highly regarded youth players at £10-20m a pop, half of whom fail anyway. I don't mind Palace going for solid, unspectacular players with no real sell-on value who will give us a reliable base and who will still f***ing be here next year and the year after.

Obviously, doing that would limit our potential, but gambling on 'the next big thing' players doesn't get you anywhere new or better even when the gamble pays off. So why take those risks?

For me, the whole experiment in this model of player trading is returning mixed results. What we are now seeing is the downside of it. Every fucker leaves, and few of us have much faith that those who remain or who we might bring in to replace them can fill their boots. It is now at the stage when the second-tier players such as Lacroix and Mateta will be gone.

Never mind asking who we can sell at a profit to reinvest, look at the squad and ask who can we rely on?

Addressing that must be the recruitment priority.
I wholeheartedly concur with the general thrust of these sentiments.
I have expressed similar views outside of HOL.
 
There does seem to be disquiet,alarm and despondency apropos our prospects this season.
What has entered my mind was a supporter whose message to me not too long ago,which I shared on HOL, was that Sage will have departed by December to be replaced by Dyche !
The season is some 3 weeks away and the 'Transfer Window' does not close until 01 Sep, accordingly ample time to bolster our ranks.
I suspect you will be disappointed by the summer intake.

More likely a poor first half of the season and a couple of gaps plugged in the winter window.
 
Agreed on two different points here.

Firstly, Palace can do all the homework in the world and not come up with a hot streak of recruitment success like we had when we brought in Olise, Eze, Guehi etc. Every transfer is a gamble, especially when dealing in young players you hope will step up and then develop. Just those three names alone are the Man City and England centre back, the Arsenal No10 and the Bayern (possibly soon Madrid) and France No10. You could try for a hundred years and not get that lucky again. Nobody could seriously criticise the scouting team for failing to find another future Ballon d'Or candidate in the lower leagues. We cannot use the last few years as a recruitment yardstick. Whoever we sign going forward will not be as good as that lot.

Secondly, people don't talk about Villa enough. Newcastle are the go-to example to prove to the naysayers that FFP and SCR are real and prevent clubs much bigger than us from ever seriously kicking on, but look at Villa, too. Huge club, with owners who must be ambitious and willing to invest as they are just rebuilding a massive stand behind the goal. They have just won the Europa League, will be in the Champions League next year, again, and yet have to sell their best player. Not only that, they have to sell him to a direct rival for a champions league place. Not only that, the rival can afford to buy him despite running themselves like a f***ing circus for years. There is no reward whatsoever for Villa's acumen and achievements and no punishment at all for Chelsea's incompetence and failure. It is a closed shop.

Pulling these two observations together: Palace could not have recruited better than they did, but in terms of the overall status of the club it made little difference in the end. We finished midtable like we always did anyway. We won the FA Cup, but we were a kick away from winning it before under Pardew so I don't think that is an achievement we can attribute directly to developing young talent. We even won this ridiculous conference league thing (and it is absolutely f***ing ridiculous, by the way) and in so doing got into the Europa League, but can we keep our players? No chance. The whole chapter was highly enjoyable, but we cannot mistake that for Palace moving up to the 'next level'. Like Villa and Newcastle we have found in our own way that modern football prevents progress or change at the top end.

All you can hope for is to achieve the best that a club of your status can. For Villa or Newcastle that is to qualify for the Champions League once or twice in a generation. For us, that's winning a domestic cup once in a century, and a novelty European campaign. Make the most of it, because we will not be back soon as it all happens against a backdrop of unprecedented churn. The better the team performs, the quicker and more often it gets broken up. It gets broken up so that the clubs you hope to catch up to can get further away from you, even if they fail to preform and you perform very well.

In a funny way I actually think our best bet is to embrace the absence of star quality in our ranks. Would we want another wave of promising talent? It seems just to accelerate the churn, which in turn seems to destabilise the team. The more star players you have, the more often you will sell them. Every time we have to rebuild, we risk it not going well.

If we had a squad largely made of good, but not star, players who the big clubs didn't want, would we actually be worse off? Never mind French teenagers and highly regarded youth players at £10-20m a pop, half of whom fail anyway. I don't mind Palace going for solid, unspectacular players with no real sell-on value who will give us a reliable base and who will still f***ing be here next year and the year after.

Obviously, doing that would limit our potential, but gambling on 'the next big thing' players doesn't get you anywhere new or better even when the gamble pays off. So why take those risks?

For me, the whole experiment in this model of player trading is returning mixed results. What we are now seeing is the downside of it. Every fucker leaves, and few of us have much faith that those who remain or who we might bring in to replace them can fill their boots. It is now at the stage when the second-tier players such as Lacroix and Mateta will be gone.

Never mind asking who we can sell at a profit to reinvest, look at the squad and ask who can we rely on?

Addressing that must be the recruitment priority.
So, we seek a team composed of 11 x Will Hughes who gel perfectly?

The disappointment for me is the academy. It works so well with the international model; but we are not seeing the hoped for conveyer-belt of talented youth who have played collectively for years before they ascend to the first XI.
 
Every year, we spend the early part of August fearing relegation due to a lack of investment and all of our players being linked away. But we've been up a long time now.

Plenty of reasons to be cheerful. Aside from Lacroix, we have the same squad as last season and will inevitably add 3/4 more before the window ends. If just two of those four prove to be shrewd signings, we will improve.

We signed Strand-Larsen, Johnson, Pino, and Canvot last season. None were resounding successes, but I think we all know that Canvot has the potential to be huge. I also think Pino is going to have a very big season for us.

If just one of Strand-Larsen or Johnson can find some form, our attack will look strong, and we still (currently) have Mateta too.

Let's not discount Sage. Did unbelievably in Ligue Un last season, and I'm very excited to see what he can do with the squad.

It's a month until the transfer window ends. We know we always leave it until the last minute, but overall, we tend to do pretty well. Europa League football to look forward to, could be a great season.
 
There does seem to be disquiet,alarm and despondency apropos our prospects this season.
What has entered my mind was a supporter whose message to me not too long ago,which I shared on HOL, was that Sage will have departed by December to be replaced by Dyche !
Overwhelmed by the sheer number of new signings that Sarr,is now apparently surplus to requirements?

 
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