Tory Party conference.

[ASCPFC]

That's a breath of fresh air! It's the truth. Except, of course, that not everyone believes it. Some believe that the unfunded promises are actually possible, because the second highted passage isn't remotely true.

The green grass offer has been made hundreds of times before and been found disappointing every time. Putting labels on a tin marked Reform doesn't mean there's magic inside. It just says there is.

An indefinite statement can not be exactly untrue. As I said, there seems to be some chance of Reform doing something akin to what they're saying. Labour and Tory have zero credibility with a lot of people now. Reform, despite being relatively dislikeable, are still far more likeable than Starmer, for example. He's the lowest of the low as my mum used to say. As for Kemi. Well - not worth worrying about. The others - decided on being loony contrarians. Which is their right.
Leaving only Reform largely untainted as yet. If I tell the truth, I expect them to win but I doubt they'll deliver much. But what choices are left? More of the same isn't working

 

[silvertop]

It could also be argued that Tories were not right wing, Conservative anymore and that Labour are not Left wing socialist anymore. As the middle ground swallows them both up then there becomes no discernable difference. Hence no actual choice. Which is what a lot of people think. I fail to see how Starmer is a Labour Prime Minister in any way. Sir Keir establishment crony desperately trying to relate to the working class and completely failing. Kemi - that's a laugh.
Farage isn't pretending much. He's a bell end and everyone knows it, it's why the personal attacks don't dent Reform's popularity. But the two other parties are literally so poor at doing anything remotely political that they are blind to it. Tories blinded by failure. Labour blinded by false ideologies that they cannot possibly attain. Reform: at least it's a new choice that has some chance of doing something related to what it says on the tin. Some chance.

It could equally be argued that the Tories - being conservative in name and nature - are suffering inertia while the world around them lurches in to right wing, nationalist populism.

They are alienating their "normal" support not because they have changed but because you have.

The statement that they are "no longer" conservative or right may then be misleading. They are only what they have always been, save that they cannot keep up with the political zeitgeist; and still suffer from trying to be what they never were.

 

[Eagleman13]

Anybody wondering how Willo is getting on/feeling about what's going on? . . . Anyone? . . . No?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Anybody wondering how Willo is getting on/feeling about what's going on? . . . Anyone? . . . No?

Badenoch has doubled her security. So that's increased the attendance anyway.

 

[ASCPFC]

Anybody wondering how Willo is getting on/feeling about what's going on? . . . Anyone? . . . No?

I'd say he's there having a jolly old chinwag with some old conference chums.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I'd say he's there having a jolly old chinwag with some old conference chums.

Doesn't he do that every week over a pink gin in the saloon bar of the local hostelry?

 

[Eagleman13]

Doesn't he do that every week over a pink gin in the saloon bar of the local hostelry?

Pink Gin? Nah he's not Officer material & deffo not in the RN & I know. 😉

 

[silvertop]

Doesn't he do that every week over a pink gin in the saloon bar of the local hostelry?

I see him more "as" a regular at the Conservative Club, "or" local 19th hole (non-"playing" committee member).

 

[beak]

I'd say he's there having a jolly old chinwag with some old conference chums.

I think I saw him next to Worzel Gummidge, the seating fillers have had a hard time bribing local pensioners to come in for a warm up. I'm now trying to spot Aunt Sally.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I see him more "as" a regular at the Conservative Club, "or" local 19th hole (non-"playing" committee member).

As the old golf club joke went (obviously not applicable in this case since Willo is a fine and well respected gentleman).
- You must let me in. I'm a country member.
- Yes. I do.

 

[beak]

I see him more "as" a regular at the Conservative Club, "or" local 19th hole (non-"playing" committee member).

I don't think he is beyond playing around.😗😗😗

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I don't think he is beyond playing around.😗😗😗

No stranger to a hole in one.

 

[beak]

No stranger to a hole in one.

On the back nine.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

On the back nine.

Hacking around in the rough.

 

[beak]

Hacking around in the rough.

Hard to see Willo touching any rough,he fancies himself as James Bond's Grandad. 😆

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Kemi did a good job with her speech. She comes across as more sincere than Jenrick, accepting that no politician is genuinely sincere.

The bribe with stamp duty is a classic and a great policy, except that we all know that trusting politicians to live up to their promises is unrealistic.

I see a Reform/Tory pact on the horizon, but if Farage thinks he can win alone, then he will go for it.

The most important factor for voters is to make sure their X removes a Labour MP.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

It could equally be argued that the Tories - being conservative in name and nature - are suffering inertia while the world around them lurches in to right wing, nationalist populism.

They are alienating their "normal" support not because they have changed but because you have.

The statement that they are "no longer" conservative or right may then be misleading. They are only what they have always been, save that they cannot keep up with the political zeitgeist; and still suffer from trying to be what they never were.

I don't agree. The party is a reflection of its MPs, and the last government consisted of too many 'liberals'.

I saw very little conservatism. Certainly not the Conservatives of Thatcher, MacMillan or Churchill.

 

[silvertop]

I don't agree. The party is a reflection of its MPs, and the last government consisted of too many 'liberals'.

I saw very little conservatism. Certainly not the Conservatives of Thatcher, MacMillan or Churchill.

Interesting that you perceive that given their clumsy morph from Remain to Leave involved them de-selecting most of the liberals and replacing them with supposedly harder right Brexiteers.

Their failure to execute Brexit in the way you wanted is down to a myriad of reasons, one smaller one being the very act of replacing relative quality with charlatan, self-serving opportunists of questionable value.

And you are correct about Thatcher. That famous free marketeer would have turned in her grave at her party championing an end to free movement of EU labour.

 

[silvertop]

One other thing, scrapping the ECHR.

Why? It is full of good stuff anyone who favours a civilized western democracy can hardly object to.

Why not just pare off the bits that hamper effective immigration control. Why chuck the whole thing out?

(Answer. Its a popular bug bear and promising its demise may garner more votes)

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Interesting that you perceive that given their clumsy morph from Remain to Leave involved them de-selecting most of the liberals and replacing them with supposedly harder right Brexiteers.

Their failure to execute Brexit in the way you wanted is down to a myriad of reasons, one smaller one being the very act of replacing relative quality with charlatan, self-serving opportunists of questionable value.

And you are correct about Thatcher. That famous free marketeer would have turned in her grave at her party championing an end to free movement of EU labour.

There is no doubt that Brexit was largely sold on immigration, but was really about the preservation of self determination going forward.

The levels of immigration under Thatcher were tiny compared to the recent influx, so your assertion is rather misleading. Certainly, EU migrants with similar cultural backgrounds would be better than what we have experienced, but politics is not so simple. The majority know what they wanted. It is politicians who obstruct the will of the people.
They failed to see or did not care about the consequences of their immigration policy.