Tommy Robinson

PalazioVecchio said:
Man did not make morals. Blame Darwin. And if you don't believe me, see how an ape reacts if he thinks some other fella is 'doing' his missus.

religion/ideology is downhill from biology.
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Yep, people try to divorce culture from genetics but it's just denial of reality.

Just as some people are pre-disposed to certain behaviours, the reality is that genetics is just as influential as indoctrination.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Yep, people try to divorce culture from genetics but it's just denial of reality.

Just as some people are pre-disposed to certain behaviours, the reality is that genetics is just as influential as indoctrination.
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That’s not reality!

Genetics play a big role in physical attributes and as a precursor of any vulnerability to certain diseases. Environment, culture and upbringing play a much bigger role in determining character and its character that has by far the greatest influence over behaviour.

Swap two babies who look similar but come from different traditions and their behaviour will reflect the environment and culture they are brought up in.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Yep, people try to divorce culture from genetics but it's just denial of reality.

Just as some people are pre-disposed to certain behaviours, the reality is that genetics is just as influential as indoctrination.
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religions do not deviate too much from a) human nature and b) the natural environment in which they emerge.
Hence Halal/Kosher rules make perfect sense in the Middle East , before refrigeration and other food technologies.

But i sometimes wonder if religions serve man or is it the corollary.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
That’s not reality!

Genetics play a big role in physical attributes and as a precursor of any vulnerability to certain diseases. Environment, culture and upbringing play a much bigger role in determining character and its character that has by far the greatest influence over behaviour.

Swap two babies who look similar but come from different traditions and their behaviour will reflect the environment and culture they are brought up in.
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i disagree , genes matter. We have seen the evidence. Take a baby from an anti-social criminal family, put him with a nice respectable family..........he will still often grow up and end up in prison.

And its a similar story for high or low IQ babies.

There have been case studies of twins, separated at birth. Later on they often have remarkable similarities.

now, getting back to the OP..........Tommy Robinson. He has shone a light at the effects of theological developments onto UK society. And after seeing it , its difficult to unsee it all.
 
PalazioVecchio said:
i disagree , genes matter. We have seen the evidence. Take a baby from an anti-social criminal family, put him with a nice respectable family..........he will still often grow up and end up in prison.

And its a similar story for high or low IQ babies.

There have been case studies of twins, separated at birth. Later on they often have remarkable similarities.

now, getting back to the OP..........Tommy Robinson. He has shone a light at the effects of theological developments onto UK society. And after seeing it , its difficult to unsee it all.
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You can disagree all you like but it doesn’t change the facts. People aren’t born evil. Give any child enough love, guidance and support and they will become a responsible citizen, whatever their IQ might be. Twin’s separated at birth must both be adopted. Adopted children are wanted and loved, so will, of course, generally have good outcomes.
 
PalazioVecchio said:
religions do not deviate too much from a) human nature and b) the natural environment in which they emerge.
Hence Halal/Kosher rules make perfect sense in the Middle East , before refrigeration and other food technologies.

But i sometimes wonder if religions serve man or is it the corollary.
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Just a belief system to help humans rationalise their existence and environment, same as any other.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
As soon as the guy on the floor decided to not make a statement and without conclusive cctv evidence there was no chance the CPS would permit a prosecution. Nothing to do with them messing up. If there’s not the evidence then there cannot be a successful prosecution whatever the circumstances might suggest.
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You must question why he didn’t make a statement. Maybe it was self defence by TR as this pleb fronted him out. I would have given him a Penge kiss as well if he was in my face for no reason. This guy would probably have been told he was the aggressor and could; with todays stupid environment have been the one charged as guilty. You can guarantee he had the most info they could give him to try to get TR but alas they just didn’t have the final jigsaw piece. They will still be looking for a way with precious police time being wasted to get TR though over this.
How does that sound !
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
That’s not reality!

Genetics play a big role in physical attributes and as a precursor of any vulnerability to certain diseases. Environment, culture and upbringing play a much bigger role in determining character and its character that has by far the greatest influence over behaviour.

Swap two babies who look similar but come from different traditions and their behaviour will reflect the environment and culture they are brought up in.
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What is your evidence for suggesting that culture plays a much bigger role?

You seem to recognise that genetics effects (I mean it's insane to think otherwise) physical attributes but then you seem to think that this stops at the brain? You come up with this vague term 'character' and that word can mean many things.

It's not as if this area of research doesn't have extensive coverage. The research on twins separated at birth being hard to refute.....but you probably don't even know about it.
 
PalazioVecchio said:
Man did not make morals. Blame Darwin. And if you don't believe me, see how a duck reacts if he thinks some other fella is 'doing' his missus.

religion/ideology is downhill from biology.
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I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

All human behaviour is the result of biology. Our abstractions are no different.
Morality is a human concept.

Good luck arguing against that.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Just a belief system to help humans rationalise their existence and environment, same as any other.
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Religion is more about control and hierarchy.

It is born from ignorance and exploits the ignorant. It stifles reason.

Its control includes moral codes which aren't necessarily a negative, but dogma and the need to be dominant over other beliefs and non believers certainly is.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
Religion is more about control and hierarchy.

It is born from ignorance and exploits the ignorant. It stifles reason.

Its control includes moral codes which aren't necessarily a negative, but dogma and the need to be dominant over other beliefs and non believers certainly is.
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Yeah, we aren't going to quite agree here. You are talking in absolutes and it's not quite the case that...for example religion stifles reason - universities sprung out of monasteries for example....and those universities were still religious and for centuries up until recently. Early christian literature has many highly educated men of their time writing logically Thomas Aquinas for example.

Also the difference between a moral code and a dogma are how you feel about it.

I'm also someone who believes that some moral codes need to be dominant over others. I wouldn't be a social conservative otherwise. I want the left to live with their moral codes and the right to live with theirs.....I'd kick out the fifth columnist progressives who want to live in conservative well kept areas.
 
Why Tommy? Because you are an enemy of the state and there are a legion of sleezeballs willing to lie to get you behind bars.

 
"Far-right activist,...." (BBC website)

Not that their reporting is impartial, or other such nonsense
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
"Far-right activist,...." (BBC website)

Not that their reporting is impartial, or other such nonsense
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The transsexual 'far right activist' who writes kill 'Donald Trump' and 'free Palestine' and attacks a Catholic school murdering kids? I'd wager a week's wages that there won't be any 'far right' circles this guy was operating in. He was writing down memes because he knew the media would focus on him....along with his bizarre video.

The BBC and the mainstream media are so full to the brill with lefty activists that the truth rarely matters to them.

I think a good take on this murderer is summed up here.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1960754463330783398
 
cryrst said:
You must question why he didn’t make a statement. Maybe it was self defence by TR as this pleb fronted him out. I would have given him a Penge kiss as well if he was in my face for no reason. This guy would probably have been told he was the aggressor and could; with todays stupid environment have been the one charged as guilty. You can guarantee he had the most info they could give him to try to get TR but alas they just didn’t have the final jigsaw piece. They will still be looking for a way with precious police time being wasted to get TR though over this.
How does that sound !
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There could be several possible reasons why no statement was made, including being scared of retribution from YL supporters. All we know is that it wasn’t and without one the CPS declined a prosecution.
 
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