Tommy Robinson

[Stirlingsays]

My biggest thing with him is that it’s quite clear it’s always more about financial and political gain than really giving two f*cks about the victims.

Why avoid the question when I directly answered yours?

tut tut.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

And then there’s the trained professionals you defended who covered up the grooming gangs. Seriously pal…

Any covering up is likely to be entirely in your perception. Which is born of prejudice. I don't speak for anyone who was professionally involved but I am quite sure they would be capable of explaining their actions and reasoning. Any that cannot being subject to disciplinary action.

We know that you don't approve of the way this was handled. We know that, with hindsight and experience, another approach has been adopted as a consequence of the investigations and reports. That doesn't mean that those who were responsible years ago were all negligent. They were much more likely, in my opinion, to have been ignorant of the scale of the problem and how it was best tackled, over burdened with competing demands and under instructions to try to avoid inflaming community tensions. Scapegoating public servants serves no one, and especially not the victims. What's important is what is done now, with lessons learned and acted upon.

 

[georgenorman]

Nothing at all, because I don't. I describe things as I see them. Not to defend anyone.

You should book an appointment at the optician in that case.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

You should book an appointment at the optician in that case.

I go twice a year and my wife is a nurse specialist in the local eye unit.

Don't worry about my eyesight. I am well cared for.

 

[DanH]

Why avoid the question when I directly answered yours?

tut tut.

Just checked and there wasn’t a direct question but sure, ask it and I’ll give a response.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Just checked and there wasn’t a direct question but sure, ask it and I’ll give a response.

Like I said, turn your question around and consider that....that many of...not all...of Robinson's critics are guilty of far more heinous crimes than he ever could be....cover ups, lies, denials, accusations of racism to frighten away action, arrests of parents, the allowed endangerment of vulnerable children.....children were even murdered during this time and Police officers are alleged to have raped vulnerable girls.

How about you consider that while Robinson is hounded by the state and has been thrown in prison for issues that most aren't even investigated for....that none of those crimes I cite above have ended in a prosecution or any hounding by the state.

That enabled and facilitated tens of thousands of rapes.

Essentially when it comes to Robinson I think you have your sense of morality completely about turn.

 

[DanH]

Like I said, turn your question around and consider that....that many of...not all...of Robinson's critics are guilty of far more heinous crimes than he ever could be....cover ups, lies, denials, accusations of racism to frighten away action, arrests of parents, the allowed endangerment of vulnerable children.....children were even murdered during this time and Police officers are alleged to have raped vulnerable girls.

How about you consider that while Robinson is hounded by the state and has been thrown in prison for issues that most aren't even investigated for....that none of those crimes I cite above have ended in a prosecution or any hounding by the state.

That enabled and facilitated tens of thousands of rapes.

Essentially when it comes to Robinson I think you have your sense of morality completely about turn.

I think this another one of our things where two things can be right, or in this case, very much not right, at the same time.

I don’t think anyone would disagree thar he was in the right about the grooming gangs and the cover up was and still is absolutely disgraceful. He’s just not the hero or ‘martyr’ the right think he is. His cause has always even been using it to try and justify not having any Muslims in the country full stop.

And as the years have gone on he’s turned into a useful idiot for the fringe right. You can surely do better than him?

 

[cryrst]

I think this another one of our things where two things can be right, or in this case, very much not right, at the same time.

I don’t think anyone would disagree thar he was in the right about the grooming gangs and the cover up was and still is absolutely disgraceful. He’s just not the hero or ‘martyr’ the right think he is. His cause has always even been using it to try and justify not having any Muslims in the country full stop.

And as the years have gone on he’s turned into a useful idiot for the fringe right. You can surely do better than him?

Can you quote him about the Muslim bit as I haven’t seen that! I’m not saying he hasn’t said it but I’m sure the press would have found it by now.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I think this another one of our things where two things can be right, or in this case, very much not right, at the same time.

I don’t think anyone would disagree thar he was in the right about the grooming gangs and the cover up was and still is absolutely disgraceful. He’s just not the hero or ‘martyr’ the right think he is. His cause has always even been using it to try and justify not having any Muslims in the country full stop.

And as the years have gone on he’s turned into a useful idiot for the fringe right. You can surely do better than him?

I've never been one for purity spiraling, not because I don't believe people shouldn't have ideals, but because it's unrealistic and an excuse not to work towards what ultimately is survival.

I don't think you believe in purity spiraling either.

For example, I'll probably be voting for Reform next election and that's despite its obvious inadequacies from a DR perspective. You haven't said but I imagine you will be voting for someone left wing....I should imagine whichever left wing party has the best chance of beating Reform at the next election. Whoever it is I also imagine you will have your own issues with some of their policies.

I say that to say this.....and it's really the main point that has to be stressed time and time again when it comes to some of this overt hatred and hounding with Robinson (and he like anyone else shouldn't be protected from criticism)

The case for Robinson isn't about whether he's anyone's pin up, I think the main difference between you and me is that I consider the fact that he was out there taking the slings and arrows telling people about the mass rape of white girls (also some sikn girls) while your left and liberal infrastructure was covering it up. That fact far far far far outweighs any criticism you have for him....and I have some of my own.

I listen to the criticisms you have for him and the half truths and copes from the progressives/media in general have for him and not only do I regard most of those reasons as part half truth and part engineered trash. I regard it as designed to make themselves feel ok with hating him.

But in response I only have to think of one truth.

You guys allowed and enabled the rape of tens of thousands of vulnerable working class white girls for decades. A rape that still goes on mostly in Labour controlled areas.

All while it was happening your mates sided with Islamic organisations and left wing institutions ridiculing and denying what was going on. You guys acted and still have acted as a road block to justice (the forced inquiry will look to minimise justice not enact it).

The fact that you still consider yourself left wing in the midst of knowing what's been done, should teach you something. But it doesn't Dan does it, because ultimately you are left wing for emotional reasons and not for rational ones.....even though your taxes are soon to go pretty pretty high.

Regardless to justify that you have created a hate figure so you can insult those who have pointed out the evil that's been done. You go with the establishment against the little working class guy because the modern left are pretty much a betray of their roots.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Can you quote him about the Muslim bit as I haven’t seen that! I’m not saying he hasn’t said it but I’m sure the press would have found it by now.

It's an exaggeration of his position, it's just another half truth where they put words in his mouth based upon his commentary.

Using Grok we find that, in a 2016 BBC interview, he said on this issue, 'I’m not saying that I want Muslims to leave the UK. I’m not saying I want to abolish the mosques that are already here.'

He mainly focuses on Islamic extremism but if you listen closer to his overall commentary it's clear what his position is....and but the way you can't rely upon anything the left say about him because a lot of it is unhinged.

Essentially he wants the Islamic population to be reduced so that Britain's future will never be Islamic....that's what it boils down to. He's never said all Muslims are going....even though other countries do purge religious/ethnic populations that's highly unlikely here.

Well, thanks to the left and the neoliberals, what's certain is increasing sectarianism.

 

[cryrst]

It's an exaggeration of his position, it's just another half truth where they put words in his mouth based upon his commentary.

Using Grok we find that, in a 2016 BBC interview, he said on this issue, 'I’m not saying that I want Muslims to leave the UK. I’m not saying I want to abolish the mosques that are already here.'

He mainly focuses on Islamic extremism but if you listen closer to his overall commentary it's clear what his position is....and but the way you can't rely upon anything the left say about him because a lot of it is unhinged.

Essentially he wants the Islamic population to be reduced so that Britain's future will never be Islamic....that's what it boils down to. He's never said all Muslims are going....even though other countries do purge religious/ethnic populations that's highly unlikely here.

Well, thanks to the left and the neoliberals, what's certain is increasing sectarianism.

So more clouseauesc detective work by danh 😂

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I've never been one for purity spiraling, not because I don't believe people shouldn't have ideals, but because it's unrealistic and an excuse not to work towards what ultimately is survival.

I don't think you believe in purity spiraling either.

For example, I'll probably be voting for Reform next election and that's despite its obvious inadequacies from a DR perspective. You haven't said but I imagine you will be voting for someone left wing....I should imagine whichever left wing party has the best chance of beating Reform at the next election. Whoever it is I also imagine you will have your own issues with some of their policies.

I say that to say this.....and it's really the main point that has to be stressed time and time again when it comes to some of this overt hatred and hounding with Robinson (and he like anyone else shouldn't be protected from criticism)

The case for Robinson isn't about whether he's anyone's pin up, I think the main difference between you and me is that I consider the fact that he was out there taking the slings and arrows telling people about the mass rape of white girls (also some sikn girls) while your left and liberal infrastructure was covering it up. That fact far far far far outweighs any criticism you have for him....and I have some of my own.

I listen to the criticisms you have for him and the half truths and copes from the progressives/media in general have for him and not only do I regard most of those reasons as part half truth and part engineered trash. I regard it as designed to make themselves feel ok with hating him.

But in response I only have to think of one truth.

You guys allowed and enabled the rape of tens of thousands of vulnerable working class white girls for decades. A rape that still goes on mostly in Labour controlled areas.

All while it was happening your mates sided with Islamic organisations and left wing institutions ridiculing and denying what was going on. You guys acted and still have acted as a road block to justice (the forced inquiry will look to minimise justice not enact it).

The fact that you still consider yourself left wing in the midst of knowing what's been done, should teach you something. But it doesn't Dan does it, because ultimately you are left wing for emotional reasons and not for rational ones.....even though your taxes are soon to go pretty pretty high.

Regardless to justify that you have created a hate figure so you can insult those who have pointed out the evil that's been done. You go with the establishment against the little working class guy because the modern left are pretty much a betray of their roots.

That comment sums up very well what is so wrong with the “holier than thou” attitude of the hard right over this issue.

It’s simply untrue. No one in their right mind would “allow” such behaviour and it’s inconceivable that a substantial majority of us have collectively lost our minds.

It’s acknowledged that the scale of the problem was not well understood by various governments and that the response proved inadequate and ultimately ineffective. It is also the case that under resourcing and other priorities influenced the decision making, alongside the desire to tread cautiously to avoid inflaming community relations.

The right, including Y-L, want to make political capital out of this by slinging as much mud as possible. I hear an awful lot of noisy rhetoric but see no quiet practical assistance being provided to the victims they claim to care so much about. Especially that of Y-L himself who has amassed a small fortune from his rabble rousing.

The hard right’s attitude over this is hypocrisy on fire.

 

[Common Sense Club]

Any covering up is likely to be entirely in your perception. Which is born of prejudice. I don't speak for anyone who was professionally involved but I am quite sure they would be capable of explaining their actions and reasoning. Any that cannot being subject to disciplinary action.

We know that you don't approve of the way this was handled. We know that, with hindsight and experience, another approach has been adopted as a consequence of the investigations and reports. That doesn't mean that those who were responsible years ago were all negligent. They were much more likely, in my opinion, to have been ignorant of the scale of the problem and how it was best tackled, over burdened with competing demands and under instructions to try to avoid inflaming community tensions. Scapegoating public servants serves no one, and especially not the victims. What's important is what is done now, with lessons learned and acted upon.

I can’t remember how many decades ago this happened but I recall Channel Four pulling a programme that was about grooming gangs. Not sure why but it appears to have taken twenty years for a national enquiry. That’s potentially a huge amount of young girls who suffered whilst the authorities kicked this subject down the road. A lot of people knew about this and let it continue.

 

[Common Sense Club]

That comment sums up very well what is so wrong with the “holier than thou” attitude of the hard right over this issue.

It’s simply untrue. No one in their right mind would “allow” such behaviour and it’s inconceivable that a substantial majority of us have collectively lost our minds.

It’s acknowledged that the scale of the problem was not well understood by various governments and that the response proved inadequate and ultimately ineffective. It is also the case that under resourcing and other priorities influenced the decision making, alongside the desire to tread cautiously to avoid inflaming community relations.

The right, including Y-L, want to make political capital out of this by slinging as much mud as possible. I hear an awful lot of noisy rhetoric but see no quiet practical assistance being provided to the victims they claim to care so much about. Especially that of Y-L himself who has amassed a small fortune from his rabble rousing.

The hard right’s attitude over this is hypocrisy on fire.

Your last sentence is absolute rubbish. The hypocrisy is with the government who refused to investigate for so long.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Your last sentence is absolute rubbish. The hypocrisy is with the government who refused to investigate for so long.

Which government was that?

Having a different approach is not hypocritical. It might have proved a mistake but that’s different.

The hypocrisy of the hard right is that the obvious desire is to throw mud and find scapegoats. It has nothing to do with any of the victims. When was the last time an investigative journalist discovered that Y-L had been found quietly providing assistance to the victims, and pleading for it not to be made public?

 

[cryrst]

Which government was that?

Having a different approach is not hypocritical. It might have proved a mistake but that’s different.

The hypocrisy of the hard right is that the obvious desire is to throw mud and find scapegoats. It has nothing to do with any of the victims. When was the last time an investigative journalist discovered that Y-L had been found quietly providing assistance to the victims, and pleading for it not to be made public?

Hard right ! If we are hard right your clearly a commie

 

[Common Sense Club]

Which government was that?

Having a different approach is not hypocritical. It might have proved a mistake but that’s different.

The hypocrisy of the hard right is that the obvious desire is to throw mud and find scapegoats. It has nothing to do with any of the victims. When was the last time an investigative journalist discovered that Y-L had been found quietly providing assistance to the victims, and pleading for it not to be made public?

There’s always been nonces but I’m not sure that it was ever on such an industrial scale as what we have experienced recently. There is also a further unsavoury aspect in that one culture was subjecting a different culture to the abuse. One culture considering young girls of a different culture to be expendable.

 

[georgenorman]

Which government was that?

Having a different approach is not hypocritical. It might have proved a mistake but that’s different.

The hypocrisy of the hard right is that the obvious desire is to throw mud and find scapegoats. It has nothing to do with any of the victims. When was the last time an investigative journalist discovered that Y-L had been found quietly providing assistance to the victims, and pleading for it not to be made public?

What assistance have the likes of you ever provided for the victims.

 

[Phil’s Barber]

Why he was bailed?

He was on early release so on probation.

He broke the rules by getting into an altercations, however it ended.

He caused actual bodily harm -whether in self defence or not.

He left a man possibly dying from his actions.

He fled the scene of a crime.

And he’s out in bail???? yeah, a bit of two tier policing right there, Mr Farage, and to your benefit entirely!

😎

Rarely have I read such a blinkered, out of touch and factually inaccurate post.

 

[cryrst]

Rarely have I read such a blinkered, out of touch and factually inaccurate post.

On here, clearly not read enough 😂