This season

PatrickA

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I wonder if I’m alone in finding the performances this season stale, particularly at home, with moments of excitement few and far between.
The Bournemouth 3-3 was exciting, and the Liverpool last minute win too, but otherwise I’d have to rack my brain to think of memorable games.
There’s been a few boring 0-0s amongst them.

This is not meant to be another moaning piece calling out Glasner and/or the players,but more a reflection or observation of the games that I’ve witnessed.

I would differentiate this from where we are in historical terms since as a long term supporter I know we are doing just fine as a mid table Premier League club in the semi final of a European competition, which would have been unthinkable when the club was in the old third division plying it’s trade in front of a few thousand spectators.

I’ve tried to analyse why the games this season are less enjoyable, at least for me.
We are employing the same tactics and system as the rest of Glasner’s time with the club.
We pass the ball in similar patterns between the back three and try and progress up the field in a methodical way largely through the wing backs.
The difficulty seems to me when we get around 70 yards up the field and the players in the wider areas turn backwards and pass the ball back with no thought of progressing forward. It doesn’t seem to matter who it is - Munoz, Mitchell, Pino, Guessand , Johnson - the ball ends up being passed backwards.
Only Wharton and ,on occasions Kamada and Pino, seem prepared to make a penetrating forward pass.
Only Sarr seems prepared to make a forward run with real purpose.

The conclusion I’ve reached is that by his high standards Munoz has had a far less effective role this season than in the rest of his time at the club.
The 40 yards up sprints have largely been absent this season which has almost totally negated our thrust down the right.
On the other side we had Eze who first and foremost thinks in attacking terms and wants to bring the ball forward to make a dribble, a pass or shot. The players we’ve tried as an alternative to Eze this season have not been able to deliver in the same way which has made us less effective in attacking terms.
Accordingly we’ve carried little threat down the sides in attacking terms down the sides where we look pretty clueless.

The evidence is that the tactics will get you into reasonable attacking positions in advanced areas, but you need the special players at the top of their game to convert those promising positions into moments to get you off your seat.
 
I wonder if I’m alone in finding the performances this season stale, particularly at home, with moments of excitement few and far between.
The Bournemouth 3-3 was exciting, and the Liverpool last minute win too, but otherwise I’d have to rack my brain to think of memorable games.
There’s been a few boring 0-0s amongst them.

This is not meant to be another moaning piece calling out Glasner and/or the players,but more a reflection or observation of the games that I’ve witnessed.

I would differentiate this from where we are in historical terms since as a long term supporter I know we are doing just fine as a mid table Premier League club in the semi final of a European competition, which would have been unthinkable when the club was in the old third division plying it’s trade in front of a few thousand spectators.

I’ve tried to analyse why the games this season are less enjoyable, at least for me.
We are employing the same tactics and system as the rest of Glasner’s time with the club.
We pass the ball in similar patterns between the back three and try and progress up the field in a methodical way largely through the wing backs.
The difficulty seems to me when we get around 70 yards up the field and the players in the wider areas turn backwards and pass the ball back with no thought of progressing forward. It doesn’t seem to matter who it is - Munoz, Mitchell, Pino, Guessand , Johnson - the ball ends up being passed backwards.
Only Wharton and ,on occasions Kamada and Pino, seem prepared to make a penetrating forward pass.
Only Sarr seems prepared to make a forward run with real purpose.

The conclusion I’ve reached is that by his high standards Munoz has had a far less effective role this season than in the rest of his time at the club.
The 40 yards up sprints have largely been absent this season which has almost totally negated our thrust down the right.
On the other side we had Eze who first and foremost thinks in attacking terms and wants to bring the ball forward to make a dribble, a pass or shot. The players we’ve tried as an alternative to Eze this season have not been able to deliver in the same way which has made us less effective in attacking terms.
Accordingly we’ve carried little threat down the sides in attacking terms down the sides where we look pretty clueless.

The evidence is that the tactics will get you into reasonable attacking positions in advanced areas, but you need the special players at the top of their game to convert those promising positions into moments to get you off your seat.
I don’t think it’s anything unusual with us, our home form has been generally poor for years, I don’t know where the pundits get this theory that Selhurst is a hard place for teams to come.
Most seasons we have long lean spells and can look pretty lacklustre, but you know what we’re like, if the stars align we can look pretty decent as well, it’s all peaks and troughs, most teams are up and down all season, even the best, Arsenal don’t exactly look world beaters at the moment after looking a class act at times this season
 
I think it's not just us but the football has become stale this season across the league.

If we go to Leipzig that's 60 games we have played this season. We normally do the 38 plus a few rounds in the cups. It's a big difference and n wonder the players are tired.
 
I think it's not just us but the football has become stale this season across the league.

If we go to Leipzig that's 60 games we have played this season. We normally do the 38 plus a few rounds in the cups. It's a big difference and n wonder the players are tired.
I watched a classic a couple of weeks ago, Atletico Madrid v Barcelona, both teams just hell bent on attack. And then we sit through Palace v West Ham and it’s hard to believe you’re watching the same sport.
I think a lot of the modern game has been lost in this tippy tappy tactical mess and the practically non contact it’s becoming, players are scared to really get stuck in, because these days nearly every tackle is a foul and every foul is a booking.
 
Palace have stayed up all this time by being realistic in their approach, both off the field and on it. This means living within our means off the field and playing conservatively on it, with an emphasis on defensive shape and organisation. In that respect Glasner is not so very different from Hodgson, Pulis etc.

The key difference is that Glasner drills patterns of play into the team so that we progress up the pitch with the ball in an organised way. No system, tactics, or coaching can create chances, though. That's down to players. Even Guardiola says that his job is to get the team in possession in the final third with options, and the rest is down to them.

Any team will create more if it has top class attacking talent, and less if it doesn't. Glasner has had two of the best imaginable in Olise and Eze, neither of whom it is remotely possible to replace. A fit Munoz makes a huge difference, and we've rarely had one this year. When you're not creating as much you naturally tend to try harder not to concede, as that is what the games ask of you. If you fancy your chances of creating then you'll naturally take a few more risks and go forward more. That's reflected in the table. Last season we scored 51 goals and conceded the same number. This season its far lower totals (so far) at 35/36.

Basically, it's players. We don't have the same attacking talent we did and the players naturally readjust to that, even if playing the same system for the same coach as they did last year. Add in some fatigue from Europe and there it is.
 
I don’t think it’s anything unusual with us, our home form has been generally poor for years, I don’t know where the pundits get this theory that Selhurst is a hard place for teams to come.
Most seasons we have long lean spells and can look pretty lacklustre, but you know what we’re like, if the stars align we can look pretty decent as well, it’s all peaks and troughs, most teams are up and down all season, even the best, Arsenal don’t exactly look world beaters at the moment after looking a class act at times this season
Make that decades. In the 648 Pl games we have played, our average points per game at home has only been 0.11 higher than on our travels. Apart from one-season, Blackpool, that is by some way the smallest gap of any of the 50+ teams who have played in the Premier League. Wigan are next at 0.31, with the average about 0.53
 
Make that decades. In the 648 Pl games we have played, our average points per game at home has only been 0.11 higher than on our travels. Apart from one-season, Blackpool, that is by some way the smallest gap of any of the 50+ teams who have played in the Premier League. Wigan are next at 0.31, with the average about 0.53
It’s a weird pattern but everyone can feel it has been that way, and the stats speak to that.

I always regard us as one of the most vocal and well-supporting home crowds. We are well known for it, even among the rest of the league’s fans. You’d think that would have a positive impact on home performances.

And this record is proportional, I.e., it isn’t just the fact that we are a weaker team than a lot of the league historically, otherwise it would affect home and away roughly equally and not affect home games disproportionately.

So I don’t get why we always follow this pattern. Anyone have ideas why it might be?
 
It’s a weird pattern but everyone can feel it has been that way, and the stats speak to that.

I always regard us as one of the most vocal and well-supporting home crowds. We are well known for it, even among the rest of the league’s fans. You’d think that would have a positive impact on home performances.

And this record is proportional, I.e., it isn’t just the fact that we are a weaker team than a lot of the league historically, otherwise it would affect home and away roughly equally and not affect home games disproportionately.

So I don’t get why we always follow this pattern. Anyone have ideas why it might be?
Poor home facilities? Just a suggestion.
 
It’s a weird pattern but everyone can feel it has been that way, and the stats speak to that.

I always regard us as one of the most vocal and well-supporting home crowds. We are well known for it, even among the rest of the league’s fans. You’d think that would have a positive impact on home performances.

And this record is proportional, I.e., it isn’t just the fact that we are a weaker team than a lot of the league historically, otherwise it would affect home and away roughly equally and not affect home games disproportionately.

So I don’t get why we always follow this pattern. Anyone have ideas why it might be?
We generally set up to be defensive and hit the opposition on the counter attack. However, when at home the opposition tend to want us to come at them, and we've rarely been good at dealing with that.

For me, the classic season was under Roy when we won 9 games away from home and only 4, I recall, at home.
 
Football generally this season has been sterile. My son is a Brentford fan (I know, I know) and I took him to Brentford v Fulham the other week. Two teams who should be pushing for European places and the football was the most formulaic, boring 90 mins I have seen. Every time a player got in an attacking position they turned and recycled possession backwards. I am sure the stats and coaches tell them to do that but it was crying out for somebody to take a player on or try something different.
 
Football generally this season has been sterile. My son is a Brentford fan (I know, I know) and I took him to Brentford v Fulham the other week. Two teams who should be pushing for European places and the football was the most formulaic, boring 90 mins I have seen. Every time a player got in an attacking position they turned and recycled possession backwards. I am sure the stats and coaches tell them to do that but it was crying out for somebody to take a player on or try something different.

It 100% is.

The game now is so tactical and system based. Its really not great to watch at the moment.

I think its also why fans get so quickly on some of our 'attacking' players backs, Pino, Johnson etc and also the attacking output of Kamada and Wharton.

All these guys are playing with huge restrictions on attacking output. They are also playing against units who are equally well drilled.

Our game against West Ham was simular. Neither team really willing to expose themselves and properly have a go. Instead its a case of staying solid, sticking to the game plan.
 
It 100% is.

The game now is so tactical and system based. Its really not great to watch at the moment.

I think its also why fans get so quickly on some of our 'attacking' players backs, Pino, Johnson etc and also the attacking output of Kamada and Wharton.

All these guys are playing with huge restrictions on attacking output. They are also playing against units who are equally well drilled.

Our game against West Ham was simular. Neither team really willing to expose themselves and properly have a go. Instead its a case of staying solid, sticking to the game plan.
100% agree
Went to the Mestalla (Valencia) on Saturday. Saw a great game with loads of forward movement. VAR use was nowhere near as intrusive as in EPL.
We are definitely killing the golden goose in England. Many games played at a ponderous pace, poorly reffed and heavy handed usage of VAR is the death knell of spontaneity.
 
You need to remember that the pundits are employed by sky, aswell as being pundits they're also paid to promote the game and sell the product. When they're banging on about Rice and Caicado being world class, I just laugh.
 
It 100% is.

The game now is so tactical and system based. Its really not great to watch at the moment.

I think its also why fans get so quickly on some of our 'attacking' players backs, Pino, Johnson etc and also the attacking output of Kamada and Wharton.

All these guys are playing with huge restrictions on attacking output. They are also playing against units who are equally well drilled.

Our game against West Ham was simular. Neither team really willing to expose themselves and properly have a go. Instead its a case of staying solid, sticking to the game plan.
Agreed and what confuses me about this is the top teams who consistently crave a Doku / Cherki / Salah / dare-I-say-it-Eze type player who can do exactly the opposite and take someone on.

Surely most teams in the league can see the value of such maverick players who (1) deliver more than enough value in moments per season and (2) then become attractive to the top clubs, meaning good return on investment for the selling club if nothing else.

If you are playing one up top, which most teams do, then having a 10 or inside forward of this type must be something you can accommodate in most systems.
 
It is down to the Defensive attitudes from most modern managers, one of which we possess, when you start with 8 defensive players at home that is what happens. Bournemouth and Brentford are good examples, 25 and 28 goals at home, compared to our pathetic 16 from 17 games.
 
I wonder if I’m alone in finding the performances this season stale, particularly at home, with moments of excitement few and far between.
The Bournemouth 3-3 was exciting, and the Liverpool last minute win too, but otherwise I’d have to rack my brain to think of memorable games.
There’s been a few boring 0-0s amongst them.

This is not meant to be another moaning piece calling out Glasner and/or the players,but more a reflection or observation of the games that I’ve witnessed.

I would differentiate this from where we are in historical terms since as a long term supporter I know we are doing just fine as a mid table Premier League club in the semi final of a European competition, which would have been unthinkable when the club was in the old third division plying it’s trade in front of a few thousand spectators.

I’ve tried to analyse why the games this season are less enjoyable, at least for me.
We are employing the same tactics and system as the rest of Glasner’s time with the club.
We pass the ball in similar patterns between the back three and try and progress up the field in a methodical way largely through the wing backs.
The difficulty seems to me when we get around 70 yards up the field and the players in the wider areas turn backwards and pass the ball back with no thought of progressing forward. It doesn’t seem to matter who it is - Munoz, Mitchell, Pino, Guessand , Johnson - the ball ends up being passed backwards.
Only Wharton and ,on occasions Kamada and Pino, seem prepared to make a penetrating forward pass.
Only Sarr seems prepared to make a forward run with real purpose.

The conclusion I’ve reached is that by his high standards Munoz has had a far less effective role this season than in the rest of his time at the club.
The 40 yards up sprints have largely been absent this season which has almost totally negated our thrust down the right.
On the other side we had Eze who first and foremost thinks in attacking terms and wants to bring the ball forward to make a dribble, a pass or shot. The players we’ve tried as an alternative to Eze this season have not been able to deliver in the same way which has made us less effective in attacking terms.
Accordingly we’ve carried little threat down the sides in attacking terms down the sides where we look pretty clueless.

The evidence is that the tactics will get you into reasonable attacking positions in advanced areas, but you need the special players at the top of their game to convert those promising positions into moments to get you off your seat.
Fiorentina (h), Newcastle (H), Liverpool (H), Bournemouth (H) are games I can recall being exciting.

However I feel like we really are missing Eze. Someone who can complimetnt Sarr and can produce a moment of magic from nothing and who better suits our counter-attack.

LaCroix, Mitchell, Canvot (eventually) and Sarr have all been pluses this season
 

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