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The Flight of the Polish Plumbers & Programmers....

PalazioVecchio said:
getting back to the subject of the OP, the UK will be diminished by the flight of valuable hard-working types.
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My meta prediction is that it will be hardworking British people fleeing the country in increasing numbers as well. Potentially significant within 10 years.
 
Matov said:
My meta prediction is that it will be hardworking British people fleeing the country in increasing numbers as well. Potentially significant within 10 years.
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Less than 10 years. You can already see from the HOL-Community on here. A ton of hardworking Eagles living outside the UK. And all forswearing to never again live in London.
Thus the ratio of 'taxpaying hardworking types' to 'everybody else' takes a hit. No society can thrive, long-term, while carrying a ton of unproductive people. Not Thornton Heath , not England and certainly not Ladywood, Birmingham.

Its one thing when you are trying to kick your longterm unemployed types into economic activity. Its a totally different problem when you are failing to attract the best workers from abroad. Long-term your whole country could end up like Detroit.

www.express.co.uk

UK city with highest amount of jobless Brits on benefits - full list

The unemployment levels were calculated using the number of people claiming out-of-work Universal Credit benefits plus the number of people claiming Jobseeker's Allowance.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk

www.worldabandoned.com

Detroit - A City Being Abandoned

Once the centre of the automotive industry, Detroit has been declining rapidly in recent years leaving much of the city abandoned
www.worldabandoned.com www.worldabandoned.com

and the above are very unlike the places below......

ceoworld.biz

Where Poland’s Richest Live: The Top 10 Wealthiest Cities? - CEOWORLD magazine

With residents earning almost two times the national average, Warsaw is the wealthiest city in Poland, according to the CEOWORLD magazine data. People living in Warsaw earn $2,011 per head of population compared. The analysis was conducted by an independent wealth management firm CW Wealth...
ceoworld.biz ceoworld.biz

where would you prefer to live ?
 
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Its going to be as much social as it is economic. Just look at the shop-lifting that is going on, seemingly with less than zero real attempts to stop it, let alone prosecute it. Constant ASB that is tolerated. And nothing gets done. That's my biggest issue. Just the sheer and utter incompetence around any and everything.
 
'Poland is poised to dominate the continent.

A new superpower is quickly rising in Eastern Europe. Poland is poised to become the next leading nation in Europe'.

Not far away it will be British workers trying to get jobs there.

Brexit means brexit.

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steeleye20 said:
'Poland is poised to dominate the continent.

A new superpower is quickly rising in Eastern Europe. Poland is poised to become the next leading nation in Europe'.

Not far away it will be British workers trying to get jobs there.

Brexit means brexit.

😎
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Poland is attractive because it isn’t on its way to white people being the minority.
 
silvertop said:
So long as they work as hard as the Poles and pay their way like the Poles what issue?

My only problem is if they are only here for the organized crime.
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And let's be honest - that could be quite a problem. Or a further problem to the ones we already have in many areas.
 
steeleye20 said:
'Poland is poised to dominate the continent.

A new superpower is quickly rising in Eastern Europe. Poland is poised to become the next leading nation in Europe'.

Not far away it will be British workers trying to get jobs there.

Brexit means brexit.

😎
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The company I work for has outsourced all its design and engineering to Poland. We no longer have any local draughtsman or design engineers in our office, we are local PMs, site manager's and client facing salesmen. A fair few of our British workers have moved to Poland to keep their jobs. Who knows One day they will be outsourcing the Polish engineering work to England.
 
Badger11 said:
A good summary from [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]PalazioVecchio[/COLOR].

The myth is that the Poles have left because of Brexit. They came here in droves because there were no jobs in Poland and they could get work here easy, rent a 3 bed house and have 6/7 people sleeping there cheap whilst they saved their money.

However regardless of Brexit the economy improved back in Poland whilst prices in the UK and GBP vs Euro meant the UK was no longer a gold mine for temporary workers looking for a quick buck.* And of course many made their money so it was time to go back home and build their dream house.

The other day I noticed that the builders trade association had the bald face cheek to criticise the government that it wasn't doing enough to train up people for the construction industry. For some reason the media neglected to ask the obvious question, "why aren't you doing this"

These days construction is all about self employed and the big firms have no interest in taking on and training apprentices, they expect the taxpayer to do their job for them.

Oh 2017 Theresa May said there were 3.5m EU citizens in the UK. In 2020 when the residency scheme closed 5.5m EU citizens had been granted permission to stay, so much for Brexit flight.

*Post 1990 loads of British builders went to Berlin because there was a construction boom, my mate amongst them. As he says he rode the wave until the work dried up and it was time to come home.
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Yup, shades of the Irish experience evidenced by those faux Southfork properties with neo classical pillars propping up all over Ireland in the 90s after the great return from our construction boom.

However, the suggestion that Brexit is not a significant contributing factor is a fallacious point viewed through Leave-tinted specs. While not the only cause, Brexit caused significant economic decline in the UK and a clear message from a significant % of our population to all foreigners.

With Poland experiencing a relative upswing would you have stayed?
 
silvertop said:
Or just a replacement of what we had?

And what % of each new immigrant population is tarred with that brush?
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If any percentage of immigrant population is criminal then it's not worth bringing any at all in. Doesn't particularly matter where they're from. Why import any criminals at all? You could even ask, why take the risk?
If it's our own population, then that's our problem to deal with. If it's someone else's population then that's their issue - not ours.
 
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