The Academy

We do get a rare Wayne Rooney, comes up through the youth academy and ends up aged 17 and playing for a Mid table Prem club. But its fairly rare. Particularly when you consider the huge numbers of hopefuls in youth academies.

My favourite career path for a player.......... Mateta, Olise, Eze..... perform miracles at small clubs and keep climbing the career Ladder. Eventually you get to a top Champions League club and the World Cup. But you even get the odd Matt LeTissier.....bigger than his club yet he stays playing for them - eschewing the big transfer.

But certainly, Academy players must have some kind of financial-protection from being poached by Giants - to protect the Club. Remember Jonathon Bostock. Probably now he is another Deliveroo driver ?
 
PalazioVecchio said:
We do get a rare Wayne Rooney, comes up through the youth academy and ends up aged 17 and playing for a Mid table Prem club. But its fairly rare. Particularly when you consider the huge numbers of hopefuls in youth academies.

My favourite career path for a player.......... Mateta, Olise, Eze..... perform miracles at small clubs and keep climbing the career Ladder. Eventually you get to a top Champions League club and the World Cup. But you even get the odd Matt LeTissier.....bigger than his club yet he stays playing for them - eschewing the big transfer.

But certainly, Academy players must have some kind of financial-protection from being poached by Giants - to protect the Club. Remember Jonathon Bostock. Probably now he is another Deliveroo driver ?
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Pretty sad career. He's now been released by Solihull Moors.

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Ex-England wonderkid who turned down 10-year contract at Barcelona signs for 5th tier club

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Academies can be a fairly heartbreaking business - for all the kids. But then again, you choose to be the forthcoming Messi....heartbreak guaranteed. The kids at the plumbing college never get disappointed.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Pretty sad career. He's now been released by Solihull Moors.

www.givemesport.com

Ex-England wonderkid who turned down 10-year contract at Barcelona signs for 5th tier club

🗣️ "You name the club, I had interest from them. Barcelona, Real Madrid, Inter, Manchester United, Chelsea, Liverpool..."
www.givemesport.com www.givemesport.com

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How many kids would hang in there hoping to one day show the world how good he is , such a sad journey , for every 1 kid there's a 1000 failers and I played with some in my day , I was close at 15 then miles away at 17 , fine lines scored 30 to 40 goals a season then found not so easy against older players , went from striker to playing fullback which gave me a new lease of life was 23 by then to late in life
 
PalazioVecchio said:
Academies can be a fairly heartbreaking business - for all the kids. But then again, you choose to be the forthcoming Messi....heartbreak guaranteed. The kids at the plumbing college never get disappointed.
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The football academy these days is very different and possibly misunderstood by many.

The Academy system (the tiered CAT system) was set up primarily to improve the standard of home-grown players with a target to win the World Cup. Players when they join an Academy can be told that they may not necessarily end up playing for that club and the goal is to make them better players.

As such Academies receive significant funding from the FA (we're talking significant millions £ depending on the academy category). This funding not only pays for coaching staff, running of training grounds, academy players expenses but also players education (further education in BTec and A levels, coaching badges).

Many staff in different academies do talk to each other and pass players on to fill positional requirements or playing opportunities (minutes).

There is a lot of support for those who don't make it (ie, not offered apprenticeships at 16 or pro contracts at 18) and it's now not uncommon for an academy player (with the support and funding of the league / PFA) to secure a position at a lower league club or Australia or more so now days to secure a 'full ride' soccer scholarship in the USA playing in the College systems whilst studying for a degree - A 'full ride' can easily be worth over $240K to the individual and a life-changing experience.

Needless to say - if the concern is around payments to the club then the easiest way to curb 'poaching' is to raise the compensation thresholds paid when academy players move clubs.

If it was raised to a minimum of £500K comp for an academy player who's been at a club for two years then that would probably put a slow down or stop many so called 'poaching' moves.
 
Prestige and money are hard to compete with at any age, let alone with teenagers.

If we cannot keep players in their 20s from jumping ship to play for a bigger club, what is to keep a teenager from doing the same thing?

That being said, there are still literally hundreds of thousands of really talented kids out there who would love a spot in our Academy. Especially if we continue to expand out the talent net and try bringing in more players from overseas who would kill for a chance to be at one of the best Premier League Academies.

One last perspective on the ones walking away to bigger clubs, is it that may not necessarily a bad thing that they walk if their primary focus is money and fame. There are few academies out there that are able to produce quality players like we are. So if the player is leaving, are they leaving for an academy that is actually better or one that will just get them their money quicker at the cost of long term development.
 
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Poor kid. Chasing the glory and money just like Bostock. (To be fair to Bostock he had no real say in the matter.) I don’t remember seeing his name and don’t expect to in the future. He should have taken a leaf out of Eze’s book “How to sit on the bench at Arsenal”.
 
Norbury Old Git said:
Poor kid. Chasing the glory and money just like Bostock. (To be fair to Bostock he had no real say in the matter.) I don’t remember seeing his name and don’t expect to in the future. He should have taken a leaf out of Eze’s book “How to sit on the bench at Arsenal”.
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Maybe we got a fee or a decent future fee. But it's still not ideal for us. That reminds me of that Goalkeeper Bennetton. What happened to him? They were all sniffing around him and another player. We only get the second best of our own academy! Rules need to change. Sign up for an academy and you're there til 18. And you go for a fee the club decides.
 
We can expect to lose more promising youngsters going by this Beeb article

www.bbc.co.uk

JJ Gabriel: Manchester United case at heart of academy transfer market

BBC Sport explores why clubs at the top of English football are increasingly trading academy players and what the impact is on the youngsters themselves.
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We will probably pinch some from other clubs.

It's all about the money as we know only too well.
 
ASCPFC said:
Maybe we got a fee or a decent future fee. But it's still not ideal for us. That reminds me of that Goalkeeper Bennetton. What happened to him? They were all sniffing around him and another player. We only get the second best of our own academy! Rules need to change. Sign up for an academy and you're there til 18. And you go for a fee the club decides.
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He was on the bench against Lech Poznan.

I understand why young players move if they're offered significant money, or a more direct route to the first team. We've had numerous players in recent years who were linked with the best teams in the world, only to be released by the club a year or two later. Take someone like Nya Kirby, who won the U17 World Cup with England, seemed to have the world at his feet, only to be released and now plays for AFC Croydon. There are plenty of other examples.
 
It seems that trading Academy kids is part and parcel of the PSR (or whatever it’s called now) system. In his interview Parish said they needed some easy money (my words) this summer so selling the kids was the best option. That may or may not work out well for the club or the player. Some will be sold cheaply and go on to be superstars when they develop. Others get seduced by the riches on offer and end up sitting on the bench and ultimately ending up in lower leagues. Either way their agents win.
Can’t help thinking some form of regulation is needed to protect both the club and the player.
 
Palacesince64 said:
It seems that trading Academy kids is part and parcel of the PSR (or whatever it’s called now) system. In his interview Parish said they needed some easy money (my words) this summer so selling the kids was the best option. That may or may not work out well for the club or the player. Some will be sold cheaply and go on to be superstars when they develop. Others get seduced by the riches on offer and end up sitting on the bench and ultimately ending up in lower leagues. Either way their agents win.
Can’t help thinking some form of regulation is needed to protect both the club and the player.
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I believe there are sell-on clauses in one or more of the deals hence the lowish fees. Furthermore, Imray, Devenny and Ozoh were very much wanted by the clubs they went to and have, in the main, been starters. Whitworth, now Wigan's first choice keeper, went to a club whose manager was managing Exeter for the two years Whitworth was on loan there. I think all four of them have landed up at clubs where they can do well.

Neither Jemide's move to Portugal, nor Adamarola's to Belgium was about money as the fees were six figure sums.
 
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