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Pete53

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Spain football kiss 'stained' World Cup win, Hermoso tells Rubiales trial

Luis Rubiales went on trial in Madrid on Monday over the kiss, accused of sexual assault and coercion.
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I thought this had been all sorted, but obviously not.

Without doubt Rubiales made a bad decision to kiss Jenni Hermoso smack bang on the lips, and, although I recall there was talk of him displaying misogynistic behaviour before this, I could also accept that his action was one of someone wrapped up in the heat and excitement of the moment. Perhaps it was wrong, but does it deserve an 18 month jail sentence for sexual assault, which is being pushed for by prosecutors?

If he had done this in a dark corner under the stadium after the game, then the implications of such an act could justifiably be taken entirely differently. But this was in full view of millions of viewers so it could not be construed as a prelude to him wanting to take advantage of Heromoso with the intent to take things further.

A number of years back in the early "noughties" the HR team that I was part of went out for an evening meal. I remember the HR director welcoming everyone - a handshake for the men, and a single kiss full on the lips for the women. At the time I did think that it was a bit ill-judged and inappropriate, but even if the women found this a bit creepy nobody thought this worthy of starting court proceedings.

Okay, I am seeing this from a male perspective and don't personally know what it is like to be subject to unwanted male advances, but I can't help feel that this could have been sorted out in a more measured way. The trouble is when an incident like this is taken up by people with an agenda ( which does seem to have happened here) , the opposing sides sides become increasingly entrenched and polarised in their stance and unwilling to concede any ground.
 
Rubiales was hoping she'd go down.

Finding himself sent down, wasn't quite what he expected.

Maybe prison life will give him a much more colourful insight in the ways sexual misconduct can manifest itself.
 
Pete53 said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Spain football kiss 'stained' World Cup win, Hermoso tells Rubiales trial

Luis Rubiales went on trial in Madrid on Monday over the kiss, accused of sexual assault and coercion.
www.bbc.co.uk

I thought this had been all sorted, but obviously not.

Without doubt Rubiales made a bad decision to kiss Jenni Hermoso smack bang on the lips, and, although I recall there was talk of him displaying misogynistic behaviour before this, I could also accept that his action was one of someone wrapped up in the heat and excitement of the moment. Perhaps it was wrong, but does it deserve an 18 month jail sentence for sexual assault, which is being pushed for by prosecutors?

If he had done this in a dark corner under the stadium after the game, then the implications of such an act could justifiably be taken entirely differently. But this was in full view of millions of viewers so it could not be construed as a prelude to him wanting to take advantage of Heromoso with the intent to take things further.

A number of years back in the early "noughties" the HR team that I was part of went out for an evening meal. I remember the HR director welcoming everyone - a handshake for the men, and a single kiss full on the lips for the women. At the time I did think that it was a bit ill-judged and inappropriate, but even if the women found this a bit creepy nobody thought this worthy of starting court proceedings.

Okay, I am seeing this from a male perspective and don't personally know what it is like to be subject to unwanted male advances, but I can't help feel that this could have been sorted out in a more measured way. The trouble is when an incident like this is taken up by people with an agenda ( which does seem to have happened here) , the opposing sides sides become increasingly entrenched and polarised in their stance and unwilling to concede any ground.
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Women playing for a football World Cup stained it. Ironing or washing up World Cup, that’s something I would watch
 
When I was younger the lady would have had the option to take things further. These days the agenda of others has prevailed. I do not condone sexual harassment.
 
Totally insane.

You know it's stuff like this that hardens the mind and turns people against these progressives.

When the table turns around....and it eventually does, even if it's generational it will and if they start persecuting leftist morons......then If I'm still about I won't have any sympathy at all because of stuff like this....and it's hardly an isolated incident, where the left go massively overboard and ruin lives.....just because the current political environment enables them too just to make a point and also extract money.

But a hell of a lot of people in Spain will regard this badly and one day they will hold sway.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Totally insane.

You know it's stuff like this that hardens the mind and turns people against these progressives.

When the table turns around....and it eventually does, even if it's generational it will and if they start persecuting leftist morons......then If I'm still about I won't have any sympathy at all because of stuff like this....and it's hardly an isolated incident, where the left go massively overboard and ruin lives.....just because the current political environment enables them too just to make a point and also extract money.

But a hell of a lot of people in Spain will regard this badly and one day they will hold sway.
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Exactly. In front of millions it is clear the excitement overtook him and she is a lying cow as why not slap his face or point a finger. She has been coerced into objecting and she will get her karma when it is self inflicted. Tears are coming.
 
On this basis, I would like to report that I was sexually assaulted by 20-25 Palace supporters at the final whistle of the 4-3 win over Liverpool at Villa Park in 1990.

I gave no-one permission to embrace me, grab me and bounce up and down whilst holding me firmly, or kiss me, but never-the-less it happened on multiple occasions with a range of different men, some of them multiple times.

At the time, I put it down to being 'in the moment' but subsequent events now prove that this was criminal unwarranted assault upon my person. Old photos of the Holt End on that day are now in the hands of the Police and being scrutinised for offenders.

You know who you are!
 
Absolutely unbelievable prosecution!

Watch the footage and also consider the context of his actions whilst celebrating his Nation winning the Women’s World Cup. She was hugging him and embracing him, they were both celebrating. Everyone in the receiving line was hugging, embracing and kissing! Rubiales kisses her briefly on the lips, clearly carried away during a moment of euphoria, in front of millions of people on TV. There appears to be no sexual or malicious intent and she does nothing at the time to resist or object.

He shouldn’t have done it. He was wrong and out of order but a criminal prosecution??? Really?!

A sincere and full apology to the player and resigning from his position should have been the end of it, provided the player accepted his apology and remorse.
 
Phil’s Barber said:
Absolutely unbelievable prosecution!

Watch the footage and also consider the context of his actions whilst celebrating his Nation winning the Women’s World Cup. She was hugging him and embracing him, they were both celebrating. Everyone in the receiving line was hugging, embracing and kissing! Rubiales kisses her briefly on the lips, clearly carried away during a moment of euphoria, in front of millions of people on TV. There appears to be no sexual or malicious intent and she does nothing at the time to resist or object.

He shouldn’t have done it. He was wrong and out of order but a criminal prosecution??? Really?!

A sincere and full apology to the player and resigning from his position should have been the end of it, provided the player accepted his apology and remorse.
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Well said, I don't think it's a resigning matter at all, however if she wanted an apology she was entitled to one.

It's the ultimate snowflake case and only happening because Spain narrowly voted in socialists.....there will be a lot of people in Spain against this nonsense.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Well said, I don't think it's a resigning matter at all, however if she wanted an apology she was entitled to one.

It's the ultimate snowflake case and only happening because Spain narrowly voted in socialists.....there will be a lot of people in Spain against this nonsense.
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Apparently there is footage of her and her team mates having a good laugh about it immediately afterwards. Then the MeToo# brigade remind her she was assaulted and all of a sudden she and her team mates are mortified?

If this is true then no doubt it will come out in the trial.
 
I'm guessing, but i think there's more to this. I mean, who hasn't had a rub against a few girls/boys at a night club, or a bit of a feel in the dark ?
I think this was about context, in that the video of the kiss was beamed into every home as a high-profile event. It was meant to be an example of how woman are striving against inequality, and the progress they are making.
Secondly, and probably over-shadowing the first point, was that after the kiss the bloke then seemed to be conducting some behind-the-scenes manipulation in order to make the incident 'consensual'. That was the point when this whole thing blew up. The guy knew he was inappropriate, but then tried coercing or perhaps threatening people.
Whatever, It'll all come out in court, but the guy seems to have paid a high price, already
 
Phil’s Barber said:
Rubiales kisses her briefly on the lips, clearly carried away during a moment of euphoria, in front of millions of people on TV. There appears to be no sexual or malicious intent and she does nothing at the time to resist or object.
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Of course there was no sexual intent and his defence should be that she is an ugly trout and no-one in their right mind would have any sexual intent towards her
 
becky said:
On this basis, I would like to report that I was sexually assaulted by 20-25 Palace supporters at the final whistle of the 4-3 win over Liverpool at Villa Park in 1990.

I gave no-one permission to embrace me, grab me and bounce up and down whilst holding me firmly, or kiss me, but never-the-less it happened on multiple occasions with a range of different men, some of them multiple times.

At the time, I put it down to being 'in the moment' but subsequent events now prove that this was criminal unwarranted assault upon my person. Old photos of the Holt End on that day are now in the hands of the Police and being scrutinised for offenders.

You know who you are!
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It’s possible that I was one of them, so I am going to present myself to the local constabulary just in case.

I realise that if I touched you, Becky, it was an offence against all women everywhere and being ignorant of any possible misbehaviour for nearly 35 years is no defence, so I accept willingly any punishment that is due to me.
 
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