Tax change

[georgenorman]

Unfortunately they didn't do that. We still employ thousands more civil servants than before COVID. And that doesn't include the many more thousands indirectly employed in NGO's that suck on the taxpayer teet.

Yes, cut and slash them too.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Giving more tax to governments is like giving whisky to an alcoholic. People should support any party that is pledged to reduce government. That's why Brexit was so necessary and beneficial - getting rid of a huge swathe of undemocratic over-government, waste, inefficiency and bureaucracy.

You really have a bad case of irrationality. Seek help.

Governments do what we ask them to do. Which are things we do better together than we do on our own. The same principle applying across country borders as it does internally.

We need people to do that, so we don’t all have to do it individually. They need to be paid. That’s why we pay tax. You would have less time to sit typing bs in a football forum if you were required to patrol the local street, mend the potholes in it or pay for your own health care.

 

[cryrst]

You really have a bad case of irrationality. Seek help.

Governments do what we ask them to do. Which are things we do better together than we do on our own. The same principle applying across country borders as it does internally.

We need people to do that, so we don’t all have to do it individually. They need to be paid. That’s why we pay tax. You would have less time to sit typing bs in a football forum if you were required to patrol the local street, mend the potholes in it or pay for your own health care.

He wasn’t saying we did not need the state sector. You have been on here saying your mrs agrees there are too many managers on the nhs. If just 1 manager too many isn’t required in any department then that could be 2 frontline workers for their wages. If 1% of management was culled as surplus to requirements how many road workers, nurses, admin staff etc would that pay for?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

He wasn’t saying we did not need the state sector. You have been on here saying your mrs agrees there are too many managers on the nhs. If just 1 manager too many isn’t required in any department then that could be 2 frontline workers for their wages. If 1% of management was culled as surplus to requirements how many road workers, nurses, admin staff etc would that pay for?

Personnel audits are a common occurrence these days. Trying to streamline operations makes sense. It’s recently happened to my son in law who has lost his senior position because his role has been absorbed into others. At nearly 60 that’s quite a heavy blow when you still have kids at uni.

 

[cryrst]

Personnel audits are a common occurrence these days. Trying to streamline operations makes sense. It’s recently happened to my son in law who has lost his senior position because his role has been absorbed into others. At nearly 60 that’s quite a heavy blow when you still have kids at uni.

Well that’s unfortunate and I wish him well but there is a need in state as in private sector to cut the fat from departments if they can operate with this change.
On a personal level he must have thought his position was untouchable to commit to uni payments at his age. Surely his well being and financial security should have been upmost in his thoughts before this commitment though. Alternatively the kids should have considered loans which are and were probably available. Their potential worry about payments back is now his worry !

 

[NMPalace]

Except it isn't a little more

An 18 year old FT worker on minimum wage will now cost:

£19,500.00 Gross

£2,175.00 Ers NI

TOTAL = £21,675.00


A 21 year + FT worker on minimum wage will now cost:

£23,809.50 Gross

£2,8,21.43 Ers NI

£527.09 Ers Pension

TOTAL = £27,158.01


For an 18 year old they will see an increase of £2,730 to their gross pay. The employer will see a increase of £3,846.54 to their cost.

For a 21 year + FT worker, FT worker they will see an increase of £1,501.50 to their gross pay. The employer will see a increase of £2,545.27 to their cost.

The Er NI rise for an average FT worker over the age of 21 will be £998.72

Now imagine you run a cafe or such and you employ 1/2 people and turnover £85k. Now to stand still you have to get your turnover over £90k - which means VAT registration. If your customers are not VAT registered then you have to suck it up - or put your prices up by 20%.

Its one of the singularly most stupid ideas to "boost growth" anyone has ever had.

And it's unfair to call her "Rachel from Accounts". No accountant would have been that stupid.

Firstly the VAT threshold has always existed so it is not a new concept for companies to tackle.
It is definitely not a Labour initiative.

In terms of the Nat min wage increase, it is to protect the lowest paid in the country. It was not designed to 'boost growth' and it won't in the short term.

There is something wrong when full time employees (like a Tesco delivery driver) have to use food banks.

For interest what was the Nat min wage increase in 2024 under the Tories? It actually went up well over 10% (£1018 to £11.44 - a 12.4% increase, 18 to 20 went from £7.49 to £8.60 - a 14.8%) and i can't remember one business or media outlet (or this forum!) saying how anti business and regressive that increase was.

 

[NMPalace]

Well that’s unfortunate and I wish him well but there is a need in state as in private sector to cut the fat from departments if they can operate with this change.
On a personal level he must have thought his position was untouchable to commit to uni payments at his age. Surely his well being and financial security should have been upmost in his thoughts before this commitment though. Alternatively the kids should have considered loans which are and were probably available. Their potential worry about payments back is now his worry !

What uni payments do you think he is committing to?

It is the student who incurs the debt not the parents.

I did give my kids a weekly sum to cover expenses and pay for rent etc, however, my wealthier brother made his kids take out the maximum maintenance loan on top of the tuition fees. Mine came out with debts of c£30k, his c£50k.

As these are paid off only when wages are above c£25k (at 9%) and are written off at 50 (now 60 for newer students i think) most students don't seem to bothered by this debt.

 

[cryrst]

What uni payments do you think he is committing to?

It is the student who incurs the debt not the parents.

I did give my kids a weekly sum to cover expenses and pay for rent etc, however, my wealthier brother made his kids take out the maximum maintenance loan on top of the tuition fees. Mine came out with debts of c£30k, his c£50k.

As these are paid off only when wages are above c£25k (at 9%) and are written off at 50 (now 60 for newer students i think) most students don't seem to bothered by this debt.

He wasn’t specific so I guessed the whole thing as his SIL was a senior employee.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

You really have a bad case of irrationality. Seek help.

Governments do what we ask them to do. Which are things we do better together than we do on our own. The same principle applying across country borders as it does internally.

We need people to do that, so we don’t all have to do it individually. They need to be paid. That’s why we pay tax. You would have less time to sit typing bs in a football forum if you were required to patrol the local street, mend the potholes in it or pay for your own health care.

Do they? What happened to them doing what's best for us?

 

[georgenorman]

"All excess in the public expenditure beyond the legitimate wants of the country is not only a pecuniary waste but a great political and a great moral evil." [William Gladstone]

 

[Badger11]

Do they? What happened to them doing what's best for us?

Exactly I thought the justification for ignoring the referendum was that MPs do what is best for the country not what the voters want.