Steve PLEASE don’t sell Marc

[PatrickA]

Guehi wants to go to Liverpool now.

The evidence is there.

If he was determined to run down his contract, leave on a free and pocket massive signing on fees ( like Alexander Arnold ) he would choose to do this.

Instead we have the situation of Liverpool making slightly incremental offers to get closer to Palace's asking price knowing the pressure is ultimately on Palace to realise value on Guehi rather than losing him on a free.

The motivation of all three parties are not difficult to see and tomorrow I expect to see Guehi holding up a Liverpool shirt and saying it was always his dream to do so.
Parish will thank Guehi for his sterling services, say what a nice person he is and that we tried to keep him.
Liverpool will chuckle quietly in the background having bought an £80 million central defender for half of his value.

 

[Stirlingsays]

That isn’t correct. There are numerous examples of footballers repaying loyalty by signing contract extensions that protect the club’s position — including our own MO. Guehi is perfectly entitled to treat it as a purely commercial arrangement if that is the way he wishes to lead his life, but don’t you think that’s a little sad given the adulation he has received? I do. This has nothing to do with standing in his way of playing for a different club if that’s his wish. The point I’m making is that the way he has gone about it has directly led to the difficult issues we are now facing.

Numerous? Maybe, but they are far outweighed by those not doing that when they have far larger clubs who can offer them much higher wages sniffing around them.

Trevor Brooking and Matt Le Tissier types are very much the minority.

Maybe if Guehi had a heritage at Palace perhaps some kind of argument could be made, but he doesn't as he's a Chelsea lad that we spent 20 million on.

So the self interest angle isn't wrong in my view......Same with Glasner.

This way of looking at football only leads to people getting disillusioned as they strive to match their (non business) way of looking at a football club with how footballers look at a job.

In reality most fans, if offered the kind of wage increases and increased silver wear chances that are on offer wouldn't have a second thought and would be off.

 

[Eagle-Trucker]

Can't the b****** just sign a new contract?

That's probably how you sort out Aussie contracts , Sign the bloody contract ya big Galah. 🤣

 

[Badger11]

Numerous? Maybe, but they are far outweighed by those not doing that when they have far larger clubs who can offer them much higher wages sniffing around them.

Trevor Brooking and Matt Le Tissier types are very much the minority.

Maybe if Guehi had a heritage at Palace perhaps some kind of argument could be made, but he doesn't as he's a Chelsea lad that we spent 20 million on.

So the self interest angle isn't wrong in my view......Same with Glasner.

This way of looking at football only leads to people getting disillusioned as they strive to match their (non business) way of looking at a football club with how footballers look at a job.

In reality most fans, if offered the kind of wage increases and increased silver wear chances that are on offer wouldn't have a second thought and would be off.

Everyone is entitled to maximise their earnings potential whether they are a bricklayer or a footballer.

It's how they go about it that is the issue. Isak is trying to stink his way out of Newcastle and will eventually get his way but will not win any friends in Geordie land.

Guehi has been a model professional so we can't complain. Either we accept Liverpool's offer or he goes on a free at the end of the season. He clearly made his intentions none to the club some while ago.

 

[NEILLO]

Face it. Guehi wants to go. And not only that, he’s been content to adopt a position that empowers Liverpool to low-ball us and puts SP at loggerheads with OG. That is, of course, his prerogative — his legal and contractual entitlement. But it would have been nice if he’d been willing to look beyond his own immediate self interest; balancing his own finances with those of the club that has nurtured him. Moral reciprocity etc. Perhaps he could have even taken a leaf out of MO’s book.

Yes, he wants to go. Beyond that, it's Palace's responsibility to get the best deal possible for the club.

Leaving aside that I know that Guehi wasn't interested in joining Newcastle, Parish was happy to price that club out of the market and retain Marc for another year. He understood the financial implications of doing that.

There is no '' moral reciprocity '' - the player is in charge of his destiny, and he's doing what's best for him - and as you say, it's in accordance with his contract. Compare his behaviour with that of Isak. Guehi has been totally professional and committed throughout this window.

The Olise comparison ? I get your point but Michael was well advised when that £50m release clause was inserted because he was worth way more than that.

I'm as pro Parish as it's possible to be but I think he's not managed this situation at all well.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I'm as pro Parish as it's possible to be but I think he's not managed this situation at all well.

Whatever he did or does now will be criticised.

From my perspective siding with caution keeps football clubs solvent.

If an adequate replacement for our captain isn't found then losing 35 million to ensure we don't struggle in a relegation dogfight is worth it.....and not just a little worth it, a lot.

My personal position is that one will be secured today, loaned or otherwise and Guehi is sold.

But only if that replacement is secured.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Numerous? Maybe, but they are far outweighed by those not doing that when they have far larger clubs who can offer them much higher wages sniffing around them.

Trevor Brooking and Matt Le Tissier types are very much the minority.

Maybe if Guehi had a heritage at Palace perhaps some kind of argument could be made, but he doesn't as he's a Chelsea lad that we spent 20 million on.

So the self interest angle isn't wrong in my view......Same with Glasner.

This way of looking at football only leads to people getting disillusioned as they strive to match their (non business) way of looking at a football club with how footballers look at a job.

In reality most fans, if offered the kind of wage increases and increased silver wear chances that are on offer wouldn't have a second thought and would be off.

Player loyalty is difficult to quantify - a few are genuinely attached to a club enough to stay for an entire career, staying at a club like Real Madrid is different (wages, trophies, etc) but I suspect players tend to be more loyal to a manager than a club.
From the players' perspective they know that clubs are unlikely to be loyal to them and will replace them without a second thought however loyal they are.

 

[doombear]

Guehi wants to go to Liverpool now.

The evidence is there.

If he was determined to run down his contract, leave on a free and pocket massive signing on fees ( like Alexander Arnold ) he would choose to do this.

Instead we have the situation of Liverpool making slightly incremental offers to get closer to Palace's asking price knowing the pressure is ultimately on Palace to realise value on Guehi rather than losing him on a free.

The motivation of all three parties are not difficult to see and tomorrow I expect to see Guehi holding up a Liverpool shirt and saying it was always his dream to do so.
Parish will thank Guehi for his sterling services, say what a nice person he is and that we tried to keep him.
Liverpool will chuckle quietly in the background having bought an £80 million central defender for half of his value.

That's basically how I see it too.

I doubt he'll be playing tonight as I suspect he's been told that Palace and Liverpool are finally reaching an agreement.

 

[Painter]

Whatever he did or does now will be criticised.

From my perspective siding with caution keeps football clubs solvent.

If an adequate replacement for our captain isn't found then losing 35 million to ensure we don't struggle in a relegation dogfight is worth it.....and not just a little worth it, a lot.

My personal position is that one will be secured today, loaned or otherwise and Guehi is sold.

But only if that replacement is secured.

Yep, forget all that loyalty nonsense, he is a professional and doing what he feels is right for him. He hasn't kicked up a stink and run to the media claiming we are holding him back etc, like some players, just got on with his job.
Parish won't let him go this window, unless a suitable replacement is found. I guess he won't leave this window, but go in January with our blessing.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Player loyalty is difficult to quantify - a few are genuinely attached to a club enough to stay for an entire career, staying at a club like Real Madrid is different (wages, trophies, etc) but I suspect players tend to be more loyal to a manager than a club.
From the players' perspective they know that clubs are unlikely to be loyal to them and will replace them without a second thought however loyal they are.

Yep, in a Palace context we found that out with Venables and QPR.....like you say it's not every player but it's most. Amongst the highly prized players even more so.

Fans need to realise that, while they are the heart of any club, to players they are little more than a voice from the stands providing the atmosphere.....they probably think the cheque book just comes from TV (even though that's fan dependent)

That's not a criticism of either, it's just how it is.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Yep, in a Palace context we found that out with Venables and QPR.....like you say it's not every player but it's most. Amongst the highly prized players even more so.

Fans need to realise that, while they are the heart of any club, to players they are little more than a voice from the stands providing the atmosphere.....they probably think the cheque book just comes from TV (even though that's fan dependent)

That's not a criticism of either, it's just how it is.

Another thing, and again with no criticism intended, is that some players just don't fancy playing for a big(ger) club so are happy to stay where they are. Might be big fish/small pond or maybe they're just home birds.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Another thing, and again with no criticism intended, is that some players just don't fancy playing for a big(ger) club so are happy to stay where they are. Might be big fish/small pond or maybe they're just home birds.

If they are good enough to be internationals, like the aforementioned Brooking and Le Tissier, it's probably more likely the home birds aspect.....For Palace Speroni is an example.

People you could rely on in the trenches.

 

[Palacesince64]

I don’t know how much Guehi earns but he turned down a new contract last season. In that time his value has dropped by say £35 million but against that we’ve had a top centre half at a reduced rate and won two trophies giving us European football. I’d take that and I suspect Parish thinks it was worth it.
This time we lose £35 million if he doesn’t go but potentially gain through league position and the Conference League if he stays. We might have Riad back by the end of the year, or have identified a replacement and could still get a fee of sorts in January. It shouldn’t be that hard a decision at this stage. My worry is the SP hasn’t come out and said it’s too late to do a deal.
Best case scenario for SP is we sell for £35 million plus and bring in Akanji or Gomez to keep Ollie Sweet. Best case scenario for Ollie is Guehi stays and sees out his contract. Compromise for both is he stays till January and we identify a replacement in good time and still get something for him. Worse case scenario for everyone is we sell him now with no replacement and Ollie walks. Time will tell I suppose but it’s going to be a nervous 31 hours!

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I don’t know how much Guehi earns but he turned down a new contract last season. In that time his value has dropped by say £35 million but against that we’ve had a top centre half at a reduced rate and won two trophies giving us European football. I’d take that and I suspect Parish thinks it was worth it.
This time we lose £35 million if he doesn’t go but potentially gain through league position and the Conference League if he stays. We might have Riad back by the end of the year, or have identified a replacement and could still get a fee of sorts in January. It shouldn’t be that hard a decision at this stage. My worry is the SP hasn’t come out and said it’s too late to do a deal.
Best case scenario for SP is we sell for £35 million plus and bring in Akanji or Gomez to keep Ollie Sweet. Best case scenario for Ollie is Guehi stays and sees out his contract. Compromise for both is he stays till January and we identify a replacement in good time and still get something for him. Worse case scenario for everyone is we sell him now with no replacement and Ollie walks. Time will tell I suppose but it’s going to be a nervous 31 hours!

AC Milan are apparently in for Gomez and with Tottenham, among others, linked to Akanji it's unlikely to be either of those.

 

[doombear]

AC Milan are apparently in for Gomez and with Tottenham, among others, linked to Akanji it's unlikely to be either of those.

Although I've given your post a thumbs up, things may depend on how much Liverpool want Guehi in this window. Their low-balling suggests it's not yet enough to pay us what we want and loan us Gomez. However, if they were to get a mauling later today from the Ar$e, who knows?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Although I've given your post a thumbs up, things may depend on how much Liverpool want Guehi in this window. Their low-balling suggests it's not yet enough to pay us what we want and loan us Gomez. However, if they were to get a mauling later today from the Ar$e, who knows?

A mauling from the Ar$e sounds horrible.
Liverpool might just see Gomez as surplus anyway when his injuries have been so extensive.

 

[Palacesince64]

Konate and van Dyke look solid in defence for Liverpool. Given the World Cup is happening soon added to the fact he can command a big signing on fee next summer if I were Marc I’d stay at Palace and enjoy the season secure in the knowledge I’m a shoe in for England and can earn a small fortune next summer.
Click bait reporting we’ve enquired about Desasi from Chelsea on loan. If so SP is clearly desperate to take the money.