I think the "Modern managers" haven't got a clue, without a pen a paper. of what to do, you gain experience and knowledge through time spent in the job, i think you are seriously undervaluing Dyche as a mid table football manager.
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With today's results the season has started in earnest. It's time to collect wins and points commencing tomorrow. No more excuses, either they are good enough or they're not. The table doesn't lie.
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- Thomas Frank: 3/1
- Kieran McKenna: 4/1
- Eddie Howe: 5/1
- Sean Dyche: 6/1
- Rob Edwards: 6/1
- Robbie Keane: 10/1
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Dyche will get the Man Utd job. That’s his level.
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That'd put a kick in Fernandes' gallop. He might not be so quick to moan about a manager who'll put him through a wall.
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It's come to something when we are seriously talking about Dyche, who is no longer linked with anything, seems to have semi-retired, and whose teams have always played the most joyless form of anti football.
I think that says more about what so many of us see as concerning about Sage's approach than it does about what we want in a manager. Certainly, I have used Dyche as a (criticism intended) example of what Sage isn't, rather than as a viable suggestion for an alternative.
That said, when a club our size loses whilst playing hard working but turgid defensive football, I think people tend to respect the approach taken. They just get worn down by it over time. If, on the other hand, we lose playing what seems like naively open football, the spotlight lands on the manager far quicker. Let's not forget that Dyche got the forest job after Ange Postecoglu, who seemed to have gone quite mad by that point, insisted on getting a team that had been successful playing cautiously under Nuno to take far too many risks.
In other words, Dyche was perceived as a clear antidote to a very specific problem, rather than a top manager when assessed objectively. I could see the same happening with us.
Would I want that? Basically, I want someone who will recognise the dubious quality of the squad and the precarious nature of the current circumstances and deploy a sensible strategy to suit, rather than thier 'philosophy'. I'm happy for that man to be Sage, but he needs to change. Whether the Besiktas game is the begining of that change, or another Leeds false dawn remains to be seen. If not, then I suppose Dyche is the more sensible option of the two.
I'd check for a few other options first, though.
I think that says more about what so many of us see as concerning about Sage's approach than it does about what we want in a manager. Certainly, I have used Dyche as a (criticism intended) example of what Sage isn't, rather than as a viable suggestion for an alternative.
That said, when a club our size loses whilst playing hard working but turgid defensive football, I think people tend to respect the approach taken. They just get worn down by it over time. If, on the other hand, we lose playing what seems like naively open football, the spotlight lands on the manager far quicker. Let's not forget that Dyche got the forest job after Ange Postecoglu, who seemed to have gone quite mad by that point, insisted on getting a team that had been successful playing cautiously under Nuno to take far too many risks.
In other words, Dyche was perceived as a clear antidote to a very specific problem, rather than a top manager when assessed objectively. I could see the same happening with us.
Would I want that? Basically, I want someone who will recognise the dubious quality of the squad and the precarious nature of the current circumstances and deploy a sensible strategy to suit, rather than thier 'philosophy'. I'm happy for that man to be Sage, but he needs to change. Whether the Besiktas game is the begining of that change, or another Leeds false dawn remains to be seen. If not, then I suppose Dyche is the more sensible option of the two.
I'd check for a few other options first, though.
This made me laugh. Have visions of Ange turning up to training and demanding to be called King of the Pineapple People
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Blame the tipple, Willo.
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I sense a number of posters on here almost willing us to lose the next 2 league games in the hope that the board will sack Sage. If we get points from one or both of them then Sage will likely still be here after the International Break.
If we put in a performance like we did on Thursday, then, irrespective of the result in the next two games, I expect Sage to be given more time to get things to gel. At the end of the day, he's getting the team to play the kind of front-foot football Parish (and let's face it, most fans) are craving. As I see it, as long as we look to be sorting the defensive side of the game, Sage will be given time. It's far too early to be talking managerial win percentages and the like for games played this season.
If we put in a performance like we did on Thursday, then, irrespective of the result in the next two games, I expect Sage to be given more time to get things to gel. At the end of the day, he's getting the team to play the kind of front-foot football Parish (and let's face it, most fans) are craving. As I see it, as long as we look to be sorting the defensive side of the game, Sage will be given time. It's far too early to be talking managerial win percentages and the like for games played this season.
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We don't have much choice than to back him while he's here. I thought the desire shown against Besiktas looked promising. Hope we can maintain that. A flat performance against Newcastle will cause questions. That's just how it is.
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I wanted Sage out after the Brighton match and not just because of getting stuffed. I, like many saw it coming after the Forrest win which we should also have lost by a hatful. Only the Leeds match this season did we look like a decent team. I also didn’t think we did as well as we should have on Thursday night where we played a team that made 9 changes after losing their last match. I’m fairly sure if they hadn’t got a player sent off we would have lost. Let’s hope Sage now he has a settled back 3 tomorrow and going forward can get us a win to save his job as the matches after tomorrow before the next international break are looking much harder to get results in our favour. Matetta being back and hopefully Sarr might just be our saving grace. If we win tomorrow I’m willing to give him longer before feeling as I did after Brighton that he should be replaced. I’m not hopeful but then I’m not sure our best 11 is good enough anymore to keep us up for any manager coming in. But unlike Sage, they just might make us harder to get beat, we shall see and let’s hope we do beat Newcastle tomorrow. I don’t think I’m confident enough to know what’s best for us today :-(
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Newcastle have their own issues, losing 3 of their last 4 games which includes two 4-1 defeats away from home.
Their manager Jaissle has faced the same challenges as those faced by Sage, both teams have lost key players and the additions to the respective squads are not of the same quality.
The current Newcastle team is not one with Howe at the helm, containing the likes of Isak, Tonali ,Guimaraes, Gordon etc, and I am cautiously optimistic about the outcome of the game.
How about Leeds , Everton ,Besiktas weren’t we unlucky not to win them? Or does it only work one way ?
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Everton and Forest thought they’d appoint dyche to keep them up, before they sacked him.
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Some ladies have blamed the tipple due to the fact that their amorous companions were unfortunate enough to experience "Brewers Droop".
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We certainly could have scored in those games.
That's not the same, though, as having several unbelievable sitters that somehow got smashed at the goalkeeper or into the stand from a few yards out.
The chances we gave up against Boro, Poznan, and Forest, and the amount of luck we need not to be at least two goals behind were above and beyond the usual. That's the difference.
On Thursday night the commentators said a few times that we had allowed the most shots on our goal in the premier league.
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When Everton appointed Dyche after 20 PL games they were in the relegation zone in 19th place.
He saved them from relegation finishing in 17th place.
At Nottm Forest the club were in the relegation zone when they appointed Dyche after 8 PL games, they were outside the drop zone when he departed after 26 PL games.
I really hope Sage can crack it and we get the balanced, attractive football we want. If we can play like against Leeds and like we did for most of Thursday night we will be ok. I just want us to win games. Hopefully that starts tomorrow