Reparations

[silvertop]

I don't think anyone is in favour of conflict. However it is quite clear that some countries politicians are using slavery as a stick to beat the west and the UK in particular for a payday. I think it is quite fair for us to push back.

Since the 1960's we have given billions in foreign aid to many countries but apparently they forget to mention this when talking about reparations. And what have they done with this foreign aid? Largely squandered on themselves rather than for the benefit of their people.

As others have pointed out many African tribes were active beneficiaries of the slave trade again something they neglect to mention.

This is just more of the white guilt because these leaders are unable to run their own countries properly.

As Shakespeare's Henry IV put it

"So shaken as we are, so wan with care,
Find we a time for frighted peace to pant
And breathe short-winded accents of new broils
To be commenced in strands afar remote."

Or in plain English, rulers use foreign conflicts to deflect from domestic troubles. It was true back then and even more so today. Leaders strutting around on the world stage slagging off bigger countries whilst back home all goes to rack and ruin.

Oh yeah, that's what it is.

Waxing lyrical there Badger.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

... and then the same Africans can then pay someone (?) back for their wholesale complicity in the slave trade.

The Barbadian Foreign Minister was interviewed about the fact that c15% of this country are of colour and largely ex colonial. Why should they pay? His answer was, it is not the people, it is the "UK government". An odd comment from a politician. In a democracy, a government operates on a mandate from its electorate. It acts to represent ever person in that country. People and state are indivisible.

We cant afford to repair our potholes. What hope we can afford to pay £200b to foreign nations?

Also, once paid, will those wealthier countries then offer some quid pro quo by way of a new mutual bond, in comfy trade deals and so on. Nope, they will turn to the US and China to buy good and services with the spoils. The only benefit will be the substantial "informally" syphoned-off elements that will pass and repass through the City as all sizeable ill-gotten gains eventually do.

Given they know we are going to tell them to jump, one wonders what is in it for them.

But it's not £200 bn.
From the BBC.
A UN judge says the UK is likely to owe more than £18tn in reparations for its historical role in slavery.
A report co-authored by the judge, Patrick Robinson, says the UK should pay $24tn (£18.8tn) for its slavery involvement in 14 countries.
But Mr Robinson said the sum was an "underestimation" of the damage caused by the slave trade.

His total is only 6 x the UK GDP so there will have to be a bit of belt tightening.

 

[HKOwen]

The Commonwealth for me is a past the sell by date idea.

Membership today is based on free and equal voluntary co-operation. The last four countries to join the Commonwealth - Mozambique, Rwanda, Gabon and Togo - have no historical ties to the British Empire.

 

[Stirlingsays]

More Powellite conflict agenda based on fear and prejudice: excellent.

Would you support race war? A war for the re-alignment of Anglo Saxon, possibly Catholic, Northern European family values? How far would you like to see it go in order to achieve what you would consider your ideal society in the UK? Or maybe it isn't the UK; perhaps that's too multicultural? Maybe just English? I don't know.

'Would I support race war?'

What a cheek!

You support the clowns who introduced it!

Go bait someone else commie.

 

[steeleye20]

It is only logical that the UK, having established the precedent of paying reparations to slave-owners for loss of capital, 20 millions 5% of GDP, in todays money 100 billions, should compensate their victims.

18 billions is a bargain.

Anyway it's only another 'black hole'.

😎

 

[Stirlingsays]

It is only logical that the UK, having established the precedent of paying reparations to slave-owners for loss of capital, 20 millions 5% of GDP, in todays money 100 billions, should compensate their victims.

18 billions is a bargain.

Anyway it's only another 'black hole'.

😎

Nothing stopping you starting whitey.

If you believe this crap I say less talk and more personal action.

 

[French eagle]

I wish people would concentrate their energy on modern day slavery. Vulnerable women and girls need protection today to save them from prostitution, nail bars, working for nothing in peoples homes etc. We can't change the past and who do we give the money to ? The poor buggers who deserve it are long gone. And who do we claim compensation from, for the 1500 Cornish men who were press ganged and sold as slaves by the barbary pirates in Africa ?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

It is only logical that the UK, having established the precedent of paying reparations to slave-owners for loss of capital, 20 millions 5% of GDP, in todays money 100 billions, should compensate their victims.

18 billions is a bargain.

Anyway it's only another 'black hole'.

😎

Substitute trillion for billion and see if it's still a bargain.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I wish people would concentrate their energy on modern day slavery. Vulnerable women and girls need protection today to save them from prostitution, nail bars, working for nothing in peoples homes etc. We can't change the past and who do we give the money to ? The poor buggers who deserve it are long gone. And who do we claim compensation from, for the 1500 Cornish men who were press ganged and sold as slaves by the barbary pirates in Africa ?

They aren't actually interested that much in modern slavery.....Hell, Obama and Blair literally reintroduced slavery back into Libya and thus considerably increased it in Africa....the continent with the most modern day slavery.

All they care about is attacking the fundamentals of western society because it's white and European and that's what they hate.....I'll exclude Blair from the actual hatred but he goes along with it when it suits him......having said that he was the one who turned the immigration taps on.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Claims of this kind are nonsensical. History cannot be rewound and the motivations of all the parties involved cannot be clearly understood, let alone given a monetary value. They were different times. All we can do is learn the lessons, treat all those here now with respect, and try to cooperate in making a better world.

Reparations are not appropriate. Assistance with some of today’s problems, like climate change, is.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Claims of this kind are nonsensical. History cannot be rewound and the motivations of all the parties involved cannot be clearly understood, let alone given a monetary value. They were different times. All we can do is learn the lessons, treat all those here now with respect, and try to cooperate in making a better world.

Reparations are not appropriate. Assistance with some of today’s problems, like climate change, is.

Assisting with climate change is tricky for countries for whom tourism is a big economic factor.
Unless pedalo rentals go through the roof.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

... and then the same Africans can then pay someone (?) back for their wholesale complicity in the slave trade.

The Barbadian Foreign Minister was interviewed about the fact that c15% of this country are of colour and largely ex colonial. Why should they pay? His answer was, it is not the people, it is the "UK government". An odd comment from a politician. In a democracy, a government operates on a mandate from its electorate. It acts to represent ever person in that country. People and state are indivisible.

We cant afford to repair our potholes. What hope we can afford to pay £200b to foreign nations?

Also, once paid, will those wealthier countries then offer some quid pro quo by way of a new mutual bond, in comfy trade deals and so on. Nope, they will turn to the US and China to buy good and services with the spoils. The only benefit will be the substantial "informally" syphoned-off elements that will pass and repass through the City as all sizeable ill-gotten gains eventually do.

Given they know we are going to tell them to jump, one wonders what is in it for them.

This issue is barely worth discussion, it's so idiotic.

Firstly, I think we are owed more reparations for historical damage than any former colony.

In some crazy imaginary future where we were prepared to pay reparations with tax payers money, it should most certainly result in a national strike every day until they changed their minds.
I'm beginning to think that only mass industrial action can stop politicians making bonkers decisions in general. Our institutions have lost the plot because they have been either been coerced or taken over by radicals and minorities. Parliament is occupied by cowards and careerists.

 

[Stirlingsays]

... and then the same Africans can then pay someone (?) back for their wholesale complicity in the slave trade.

The Barbadian Foreign Minister was interviewed about the fact that c15% of this country are of colour and largely ex colonial. Why should they pay? His answer was, it is not the people, it is the "UK government". An odd comment from a politician. In a democracy, a government operates on a mandate from its electorate. It acts to represent ever person in that country. People and state are indivisible.

We cant afford to repair our potholes. What hope we can afford to pay £200b to foreign nations?

Also, once paid, will those wealthier countries then offer some quid pro quo by way of a new mutual bond, in comfy trade deals and so on. Nope, they will turn to the US and China to buy good and services with the spoils. The only benefit will be the substantial "informally" syphoned-off elements that will pass and repass through the City as all sizeable ill-gotten gains eventually do.

Given they know we are going to tell them to jump, one wonders what is in it for them.

Just like the US use their client states to cause trouble for Russia and China and these small countries can also be used as client states by Russia and China. Votes in the UN are more obvious examples of how this backroom dealing goes on. Political positions and pressure can be tradeable commodities.

I suspect that this is a global south tactic tuned towards the large progressive belief systems of western institutions. They don't want to pay but essentially they believe this stuff anyway.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I'm certain that if we gave Jamaica, Barbados or anywhere like it a trillion pounds tomorrow, they would still be shitholes in five years.
The money would disappear down a black hole of corruption, charity management and criminality.

 

[ASCPFC]

I'm certain that if we gave Jamaica, Barbados or anywhere like it a trillion pounds tomorrow, they would still be shitholes in five years.
The money would disappear down a black hole of corruption, charity management and criminality.

Or Birmingham, or Sadiq Khan.