Reform

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I'm a bit envious....injured my back and neck and haven't been able to touch any weights for nearly two weeks.

You might be needed one day Hrolf, keep strong.

Enjoy the time off. It's just the starting again bit that is rough.

I will have to take a month off next year to travel, and having to get going again when I return is not a prospect I'm looking forward to.

 

[Spiderman]

Can't have one without the other - both ways - and what was wrong with that?

I have explained why, imo, it is/was not a good idea a few times on this thread

 

[Spindle]

You and Rupert Lowe do not believe in free speech.

Your view of free speech is allowing someone a platform where they call for infringement on others with celebration?

The piece of s*** didn't get arrested, who knew

 

[silvertop]

Seriously?

You telling us you don't understand the right's objection to freedom of movement?

I've heard many so called arguments in favour of blocking the free movement in and out of Europeans and they were all horse dung.

Seriously.

 

[silvertop]

I have explained why, imo, it is/was not a good idea a few times on this thread

On this spidey we will never agree

 

[Stirlingsays]

I've heard many so called arguments in favour of blocking the free movement in and out of Europeans and they were all horse dung.

Seriously.

Here's one.

A sovereign nation is in charge of its own borders.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Here's one.

A sovereign nation is in charge of its own borders.

It always is, however a sovereign nation can decide to cooperate with others in their mutual interests.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I'm a bit envious....injured my back and neck and haven't been able to touch any weights for nearly two weeks.

You might be needed one day Hrolf, keep strong.

That sounds like a pending call to arms.

When the kind of attitudes on display are as extreme as they are, and appear to have been lifted from the playbooks of the likes of Patriotic Alternative, I trust it’s just wishful thinking born of frustration, and not serious!

 

[silvertop]

Here's one.

A sovereign nation is in charge of its own borders.

And so we were as we exercised our sovereign right to open our borders to EU citizens (and theirs to us)

Next.

 

[georgenorman]

And so we were as we exercised our sovereign right to open our borders to EU citizens (and theirs to us)

Next.

We didn't exercise a sovereign right, we conformed to the diktat of the EU.

 

[georgenorman]

That sounds like a pending call to arms.

When the kind of attitudes on display are as extreme as they are, and appear to have been lifted from the playbooks of the likes of Patriotic Alternative, I trust it’s just wishful thinking born of frustration, and not serious!

Well, the future is likely to be Northern Ireland style sectarian violence due to policies supported by the likes of you.

 

[silvertop]

We didn't exercise a sovereign right, we conformed to the diktat of the EU.

Oh dear. You continue to think that if it gives you comfort.

 

[georgenorman]

Oh dear. You continue to think that if it gives you comfort.

How was it not the case?

 

[silvertop]

How was it not the case?

We signed up to it, went in with our eyes wide open and enriched our nation as a consequence.

Remember George. We are talking EUROPEANS who we have integrated with for millennia and who are literally part of our DNA.

 

[Willo]

Reform announced a plan to take everybody earning up to £20,000 out of income tax altogether. That is £60billion worth of commitment. There were £140billion of giveaways and tax cuts in their manifesto.

Today on 'Kuenssberg' Farage was a stranger to costing detail when quizzed about their proposed 50% takeover of utilities.
None of it is thought through. None of it has undergone a detailed cost analysis as to how it is all going to be paid for. Reform are reaching for these populist policies that we see Nigel Farage wheeling out left, right and centre, without any thought about how they can be delivered or indeed funded.It is all fantasy economics, and it is really dangerous for our economy.

 

[Badger11]

Reform announced a plan to take everybody earning up to £20,000 out of income tax altogether. That is £60billion worth of commitment. There were £140billion of giveaways and tax cuts in their manifesto.

Today on 'Kuenssberg' Farage was a stranger to costing detail when quizzed about their proposed 50% takeover of utilities.
None of it is thought through. None of it has undergone a detailed cost analysis as to how it is all going to be paid for. Reform are reaching for these populist policies that we see Nigel Farage wheeling out left, right and centre, without any thought about how they can be delivered or indeed funded.It is all fantasy economics, and it is really dangerous for our economy.

You are probably correct however has Farage said when this will happen?

You can aspire to make big tax cuts "when the economy can afford it". I notice that many of Labour's big plans e.g. reform NHS stretch into the next election. Nothing wrong with that, party's will often have proposals that you can't tie them down to a specific date.

 

[georgenorman]

We signed up to it, went in with our eyes wide open and enriched our nation as a consequence.

Remember George. We are talking EUROPEANS who we have integrated with for millennia and who are literally part of our DNA.

Surprised that you take that line, some of your comrades might consider it a bit racist!

 

[Willo]

You are probably correct however has Farage said when this will happen?

You can aspire to make big tax cuts "when the economy can afford it". I notice that many of Labour's big plans e.g. reform NHS stretch into the next election. Nothing wrong with that, party's will often have proposals that you can't tie them down to a specific date.

Farage is attempting to be all things to all people, with a plethora of populist announcements and seemingly no detailed thinking behind how he’s going to pay for any of it or the timescales involved. He will play whatever tune he thinks appeals to the people he’s playing the tune to but this is not serious grown-up politics.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Reform announced a plan to take everybody earning up to £20,000 out of income tax altogether. That is £60billion worth of commitment. There were £140billion of giveaways and tax cuts in their manifesto.

Today on 'Kuenssberg' Farage was a stranger to costing detail when quizzed about their proposed 50% takeover of utilities.
None of it is thought through. None of it has undergone a detailed cost analysis as to how it is all going to be paid for. Reform are reaching for these populist policies that we see Nigel Farage wheeling out left, right and centre, without any thought about how they can be delivered or indeed funded.It is all fantasy economics, and it is really dangerous for our economy.

No one in opposition and this far away from an election can give exact costing details, as you know full well.
The Tories had 14 years in power. In that time that allowed this country to be flooded with immigrants, did not enforce Brexit properly and the final nail in the coffin, COVID.

I voted for them, but the country needs a radical change of direction. The Tories had their chance, and they have no chance of winning the next election. The only mission for anyone on the right should be to remove the current administration by voting for a party that can actually win.

 

[Badger11]

Farage is attempting to be all things to all people, with a plethora of populist announcements and seemingly no detailed thinking behind how he’s going to pay for any of it or the timescales involved. He will play whatever tune he thinks appeals to the people he’s playing the tune to but this is not serious grown-up politics.

I'm shocked opposition leader makes promises he wont keep, gosh that's never happened before. 😀